From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 02 10:29:31 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HNCVW-00050s-OJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:29:31 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.14.81] helo=hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HNCVG-00050d-K4 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:29:29 -0800 Received: FROM [192.168.123.137] (66-227-151-160.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com [66.227.151.160]) BY hackers.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45E86CBC.22CE0.30015 ; 2 Mar 2007 13:28:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200703021541.KAA10214@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> References: <200703021541.KAA10214@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <27AD232D-3038-4E47-82F8-8BA0DD66CB5F@umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #30 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:28:10 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4086 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:16 AM, der Mouse wrote: >> I would argue that there are adjectives and adverbs in Lojban, at >> least in the traditional linguistic sense. When I say {le xekri >> mlatu} for "the black cat", {mlatu} is a noun and {xekri} is >> modifying it - making it an adjective. > > I call malglico. > > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B This is why we don't use natural language terms to describe Lojban. Because the concept of "noun" and "verb" doesn't really apply to Lojban. Just look at all the confusion it's caused on the list :) What I was trying to say (and apparently didn't express well) was that, in an audio CD course, it would be easier to learn the Lojban terminology a little at a time after teaching some phrases and vocabulary. That way you can say "Ok -- in the sentence you know {le mlatu cu klama} we call {le mlatu} a sumti, and {klama} a brivla. And both {mlatu} and {klama} are gismu so they can be used as both 'nouns' and 'verbs' in the natural language sense." This is opposite how most of the material I've learned Lojban from works -- we usually try to teach a bunch of the names for Lojban "parts of speech" first so we can use them as we describe the basics of Lojban. mu'o mi'e .aleks.