From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 02 23:05:28 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:05:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HNOJ5-0001WO-Jd for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:05:28 -0800 Received: from bender-mail.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.30]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HNOIr-0001WD-2N for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:05:27 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bender.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AF77DC7 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 23:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from Nietzsche.lumma.org (dsl017-048-211.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net [69.17.48.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bender.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5127DAF for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 23:05:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:05:07 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org From: Carl Lumma Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #30 In-Reply-To: References: <200703021541.KAA10214@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> <27AD232D-3038-4E47-82F8-8BA0DD66CB5F@umich.edu> <20070302185850.25D107E47@bender.tigertech.net> <45E8B8F9.2060201@hypermetrics.com> <20070303034840.6E9D57F1D@bender.tigertech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20070303070510.7C5127DAF@bender.tigertech.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on bender.tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: carl@lumma.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners >So the point is that you'd have to make it worth while for a baby to >learn Lojban. I've heard at some point of a Klingon speaker who tried >to only speak Klingon to his son (I may have genders swapped up here >though). The son never picked much up because Dad kept having to drop >to English for words like "table", and Dad would speak English anyhow. An acquaintance speaks English to his daughter, and his wife French. The daughter is learning both, even though his wife also speaks English fluently (French was her first language, though). >Anyone with grandparents who don't speak much English hits on that >same thing -- as a baby you didn't learn their language because it >was just too much work and you didn't need it. Maybe you learned to >understand them and hit a happy medium -- I know a couple folk who >can understand their parents' and grandparents' first language but >can't put together in it to save their life. I'm from an area which was German-speaking a century ago ("Pennsylvania Dutch" is actually unintelligible to modern Germans). It's now a dying language. A lot of my friends had grandparents who still spoke it. But there was a conscious effort on the part of those grandparents to bring up their children as English speakers. -Carl