From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 12 04:55:25 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQj7d-0005K5-9t for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:55:25 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19rc8vpLGiDVFKbHwq/kAO+aZK5KpuEn58=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQj7X-0005Jx-9c for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:55:24 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:55:09 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.22]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007031206550919171 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:55:09 -0500 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:55:09 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Connectives within abstractions Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:55:09 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C08@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770703120418g4d9980cdx7959833223150ccc@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Connectives within abstractions Thread-Index: AcdkmKwoW0YjfuKtR9uYg5tJK7SJJwAARTag From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2007 11:55:09.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[48853140:01C7649D] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners "mi djica lenu dzukla janai klama"= "I like the event of (If I go, then I walk)" Which is what you want. (I like walking everywhere) Iff you put in a kei after dzukla, closing off the NU, then the "le nu dzukla" would be the left-hand-side of the "janai", and the "klama" would be the right: "mi djica lenu dzukla kei janai klama" => "If I go, then I like to walk." Which is subtly different. It means if you stay put, then we don't know if you like walking or not. "I like to walk, or I don't like to go" would be either mi djica le nu dzukla .ijanai mi djica le nu klama or mi djica le nu dzukla .anai le nu klama or mi djica ga le nu dzukla ginai le nu klama --gejyspa -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Karl Naylor Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:18 AM To: Lojban-beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] Connectives within abstractions pe'i lu mi dzukla janai klama li'u drani xe fanva zoi zoi. I walk everywhere .zoi .i ku'i mi puzi co'a cortu le jamfu .isemu'ibo da'i mi cusku zoi zoi. I like to walk everywhere .zoi ni'o pe'iru'e lu mi djica lenu dzukla janai klama li'u drani xe fanva .i ku'i mi jinvi ledu'u ju'ocu'i le go'i cu se smuni zoi zoi. I like to walk, or I don't like to go .zoi .i .e'o doi jbocertu ko ciksi ledu'u makau drani .i ki'e mu'o mi'e .karl.