From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 12 06:39:20 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQkkC-0008Ih-08 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:20 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQkk3-0008IE-FR for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:19 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so3695010nfb for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CUmlkcfTdHE2H858FO08+7GwUFH2+5i1FCdRegm+b72kN4YtDPQUJA5g/ZvwiFWJ03So947Kr6Pr76zdSBY9gvqnmZlOeDpTS6mj+YV7lNQxZiGR6u6QcKJcXFc9nK6XIDPX95vgsnG2a+D9lw5ExSSjaVNuhpGPi95QNeKlT9M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YzGK4oyJBoLEGSzd/VX4IP+POJn5ze44Mhv7qpq8Y7VU82XScX2mtFHhx5MxNiZOfa613uYU23OJ4wwwGrN9MfIvvE05pxMXzD09phYGQvNS4Kbae+wHvFFEVXIM2yVjBCMf7t1n1w1AQD7A0pJ4PoKwbPvHrteni9wOEWsDLG0= Received: by 10.78.189.5 with SMTP id m5mr635335huf.1173706749604; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.50.10 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23dc8c770703120639l1f7e2fa7lc467291e7621b38@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:39:09 +0000 From: "Karl Naylor" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Connectives within abstractions In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C08@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <23dc8c770703120418g4d9980cdx7959833223150ccc@mail.gmail.com> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C08@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: karl.org@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 12/03/07, Turniansky, Michael wrote: > "mi djica lenu dzukla janai klama"= "I like the event of (If I go, then > I walk)" Which is what you want. (I like walking everywhere) .ui .e'e ki'e > Iff you put in a kei after dzukla, closing off the NU, then the "le nu > dzukla" would be the left-hand-side of the "janai", and the "klama" > would be the right: > "mi djica lenu dzukla kei janai klama" => "If I go, then I like to > walk." Which is subtly different. It means if you stay put, then we > don't know if you like walking or not. I like that even better. Does it not require a {be} between {djica} and {le}, though? Or how about just "mi dzukla djica janai klama"? Jeks don't affect binding precedence, do they? So that would be "If I go, then I walk-desire" .iepei?