From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 15 07:02:25 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HRqX3-0005Q5-Bk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:02:22 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HRqWq-0005I5-VO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:02:15 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:01:55 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.22]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007031509015519209 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:01:55 -0500 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:01:55 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: spofu pemci Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:01:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C1D@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560703150620x297841e3o4e0ce5e7651c72fa@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: spofu pemci Thread-Index: AcdnBQnTHKx6RC9ySOO0GMqZZ/XHjQABQS5Q From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 14:01:55.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DA66820:01C7670A] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners You are, of course, correct. What do you feel about this version? mi dansu je dansu je dansu .i dansu je sanga je gleki ki'u le nu banzu je banzu je banzu fa lemi jdini co cteki (thereby making a ki'u place of "dansu je sange je gleki" and making "banzu..." into the event sumti explaining it? (although for metrical reasons, I would probably drop one "banzu je") --gejyspa -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Llambías Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:20 AM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: spofu pemci Both {.i ki'u banzu fa le mi jdini} and {.i ki'u ku banzu fa le mi jdini} are _grammatically_ correct, but neither is what is wanted here. {ki'u} is a tag and, like all tags, it can be used as a selbri tcita, or as a sumti tcita, or as a separate term terminated with a ku. {ki'u banzu fa le mi jdini} and {ki'u ku banzu fa le mi jdini} both say that there is a reason for my money being enough. Probably there is a reason, but that's not what I take the intended meaning was. All tags can also be used to connect two bridi. What is wanted here is {.i ki'u bo banzu fa le mi jdini}. {.i ki'u bo} connects two bridi, and it says that the second bridi is the reason for the first one. My money being sufficient is thus the reason for my happy song and dance. mu'o mi'e xorxes