From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 19 06:00:43 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HTHTQ-0005TK-AF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:00:30 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.249]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HTHSu-0005SO-71 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:00:19 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1094286ana for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:59:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F8cOFrUxxMoNJ2hLsjrzV4RI4n4Q30docpjf7m5dUlLMuo//BWb8JWf9J5sXyiXEw/iMe0I/+mkeLenNCckEH6xmh7g4+WnwfqMrcH170gNF5kWaPNO1lb80qCU90S7XlR6PZ2COXG5hErMfQYfWXu1N/iy9mNHnMWu6o+De6cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZeoQMYQxJZc0lGYpOhD8ZICRfDIP1gJdPR/eK+VPD8JsqsqcamlNwpcNj1vU9pwKEgXnq68H3Lc3JHwECRXvcAL7eti3sOjIHpVptRf+BOpuuL3qj8bkkNjlJA4RbXiXoCcpqdl9RskkPzzj8ifsOs99b7/hYCf94pYe6DlebTI= Received: by 10.100.168.13 with SMTP id q13mr3651635ane.1174309193445; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.16 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560703190559x4b5b4422l2460726f6d5785df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:59:50 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Debug my propaganda? In-Reply-To: <23dc8c770703190452x453a53bcy41c34e42353ba3dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <23dc8c770703181044x6bfd7f92j47c328163974e17a@mail.gmail.com> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C2C@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <23dc8c770703190452x453a53bcy41c34e42353ba3dc@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 3/19/07, Karl Naylor wrote: > On 19/03/07, Turniansky, Michael wrote: > > > .i zo'o mi dapma le rodo ka tolcando > > Ungrammatical. You want either .i zo'o mi dapma le le rodo ka > > tolcando > My reasoning was that {do} does not take an article, as it is a > pro-sumti. {le do ka tolcando} would have been fine. The problem is that the sumti in the LE construction cannot have an outer quantifier. {le ro do} is also a valid sumti without outer quantifier, so Michael's suggestion also works. > Alternatively, what about "le ka tolcando pe rodo"? Yes, and {le pe ro do ka tolcando} is yet another possibility. mu'o mi'e xorxes