From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 11 16:42:42 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HbmSW-0004rX-AA for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:42:41 -0700 Received: from web56413.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.92]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HbmSG-0004ph-My for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:42:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 91402 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2007 23:42:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BgwHG7MAzQRAhmrYRD5oUD17PHVt29kB47sTqFm+2xvs4cNa9moi9ry5p+Lc4RvvsaOpoeW53DHOoA4FSuMWEnUagAgyQIanUyPdDycdfO252xgDfaPcQJ4RZXNI7+aD7h4dKzba17SdXRGCPpWgFE6ejEyhri28y/JlMntb9yM=; X-YMail-OSG: Ypiq0LkVM1lxA37bDYSOw1Jck73h5VJZNcUOAWsHMRc4mnwt5aQi6SV9gpntN9DVQESdKialqlCvQrgpV6qY4w6B.yv4naIu.OooxXRXCZHyFqcrF21jM_jj9kvopxB1 Received: from [75.2.90.54] by web56413.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:42:17 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <437726.10208.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-573477639-1176334937=:91040" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <195438.91040.qm@web56413.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-573477639-1176334937=:91040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: But which is preferable? And if it is la, doesn't that mean that the name is a cmene - and should end with a consonant? A separate issue that has come up is the choice of rafsi. Can I use jugygug instead (Philip), and does that effect the choice of article? This part, at least, can be answered very directly. "la" can be used before either a cmevla or a brivla. Unless it is a cmevla it doesn't need to end in a consonant (cmevla always always end in consonants, and brivla always always end in vowels). Note that a lot of Lojban materials use the term "cmene" to refer to what I call cmevla, but I think this is confusing. By the same token, the difference between "jugygu'e" and "jugygug" is that the former is brivla and the latter is a cmevla. "jugygug" is technically not a lujvo at all, although it *resembles* a lujvo (I have sometimes called this sort of thing a pseudo-lujvo). Both are likely to be understood to mean "China", so it's just a matter of which becomes more commonly used by the community; I suggest using "jugygu'e", personally, since it's more flexible. mu'o mi'e .sen. --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. --0-573477639-1176334937=:91040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ANDREW PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
But which is preferable? And if it is la, doesn't that mean that the name is a cmene - and should end with a consonant?

A separate issue that has come up is the choice of rafsi. Can I use jugygug instead (Philip), and does that effect the choice of article?
This part, at least, can be answered very directly. "la" can be used before either a cmevla or a brivla. Unless it is a cmevla it doesn't need to end in a consonant (cmevla always always end in consonants, and brivla always always end in vowels). Note that a lot of Lojban materials use the term "cmene" to refer to what I call cmevla, but I think this is confusing.

By the same token, the difference between "jugygu'e" and "jugygug" is that the former is brivla and the latter is a cmevla. "jugygug" is technically not a lujvo at all, although it *resembles* a lujvo (I have sometimes called this sort of thing a pseudo-lujvo). Both are likely to be understood to mean "China", so it's just a matter of which becomes more commonly used by the community; I suggest using "jugygu'e", personally, since it's more flexible.

mu'o mi'e .sen.

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