From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 12 07:41:11 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hc0U2-000452-7k for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:41:11 -0700 Received: from web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hc0Tr-00041q-Pw for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:41:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 69329 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2007 14:40:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hvAM6eYQBoy//nxXbbYmgwhUdZvx5cha4efNb+m139lO/ibalogxx93B4mBPxQnNAIO1o6NVFPgJSR5xzKMt7F2h6uXQlZLW4dzI3DqmRICp7AujsR6teYtbsIx0QpbhwnbdI4IY3ZjPu3Kd+cCUd3As3GhLd9muf/0L5WanaOo=; X-YMail-OSG: fnEyb58VM1m30GRlY38PZ2cKxa2PlLp0NTWy1VOmwrqadwMB Received: from [74.96.97.233] by web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:40:53 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Message-ID: <56758.66692.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -15 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 4229 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners But in the real world, unless I am writing about alternate universes, I have only one specific Canada in mind - so surely it must be "le kadnygu'e"? As far as "la kadnygu'e" is concerned, "kadnygu'e" would have to be a name, but section 4.8 of the CLL says "Names may have almost any form, but always end in a consonant". So how can it be acceptable? - Andrew ----- Original Message ---- From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:02:08 AM Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? > > I'm comfortable with "le" and "lo" (at least in these specific examples), > but wouldn't "lo" imply this may be one of a number of Canada's? > Yes, it could theoretically be, but luckily for us there is "lo pa kadnygu'e" (the single Canada) in this universe. But on the other hand, if you think of the possibility of alternate universes, each would have a "lo kadnygu'e" which really is _a_ Canada. You don't even have to go that far. In our own world, we have two Koreas, two Congos, two Carolinas, three Americas (North, South, Central), two Indies, formerly two Vietnams and two Germanys and two Pakistans, etc. Each one could be describe with "lo" if there were a brivla that meant that particular country/region/state ("lo dotygu'e" 30 years ago would mean either the FRG or the GDR). --gejsypa