From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 13 15:07:33 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcTvY-0006Db-Dk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:07:32 -0700 Received: from web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcTvV-0006DP-LM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:07:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 11152 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2007 22:07:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xq7f2H3F4p5+htHjLNWIvS9Fwv0CSEP1IYd2I2Ey3O6BYxb8lDfUSUx2Z9loOCJ5JxYqCOO7/uCHkYL39oZskU8r17xn6VNCvhLRmIy+AFS8g+pd1xXXO4trPHav77VznYvN+HqUD8QLA7/RogqAn+/xRyG9Sr/3bvW8aY1B9l4=; X-YMail-OSG: hMOr2ewVM1mqf_1QFo1OXzzLCcy8Dkla3gAAAbie8iL33F0OlXDZsNLv7CyyRC2sQw-- Received: from [74.96.97.233] by web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:21 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <971545.10915.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 X-Spam-Score-Int: -6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners What on earth is Dot Side? I can't find the proposal anywhere - only some commentaries about it. - Andrew --- Matt Arnold wrote: > Andrew, > > There are projects underway to create a primer, > sample dialogues, and > audio lessons. I will certainly ask for official > approval of them when > they come together, but volunteer organizations are > slow. Constructed > languages are different from naturally-occuring > languages. There will > always be a frontier for Lojban within the lifetimes > of you and me. It > is unrealistic to ask that to change within the > amount of time it > would take you to learn it. It is a matter of > accepting constructed > languages for what they are. > > Ask yourself how much an unsettled area of the > language will affect > your ability to communicate in it. We do have plans > to formally settle > discrepancies and map remaining frontiers of > uncertainty; but > experience has shown that they do not signifigantly > impair us, to say > nothing of spoiling the project. > > The plain fact is that the discrepancies in the > training materials, > while we certainly need to correct them urgently, > are discrepancies in > formality only. The xorlo proposal has won in all > practical respects, > de-facto, and awaits only the slow process of asking > for a formal > vote. In practice, Lojbanists have gone over to it > wholesale. You > should use it. The Dot Side is rapidly getting there > as well. > > > Xorxes and rlpowell are the experts who most > frequent this list, but > > as you have seen, even they disagree with one > another.... > > All experts on Lojban will disagree with each other, > and always will, > just as experts on English sometimes disagree with > each other on the > minutiae of perfect propriety. > > I also highly respect the proficiency of Adam Cooper > (komfo,amonan), > Pierre Abbat, and John Cowan (author of CLL) to name > just a few off > the top of my head. Apologies to those worthies who > I am no doubt > leaving off the list. There are several highly > fluent experts who are > no longer active at all, such as Nick Nicholas. > Lojbab and Nora (two > of the founders) participate occasionally but > rarely. > > -Eppcott > > > >