From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 13 17:09:05 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcVpB-0008UJ-3h for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:09:05 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcVp8-0008U9-Dt for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:09:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:09:02 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? Message-ID: <20070414000902.GH27657@digitalkingdom.org> References: <24392.36438.qm@web56403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <426987.29483.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <426987.29483.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 4243 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners zo cmevla cu se smuni lu cmene valsi li'u .i va'i pa cmevla ro roi valsi pa mei .i ku'i pa cmene cu vasru su'o valsi -Robin On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 07:54:24PM -0400, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > I understand....I think...trouble is, neither "Lojban for > Beginners" nor the Reference Grammar even mention cmevla. In what > way are cmevla different from cmene? > > - Andrew > > --- Nathaniel Krause > wrote: > > > ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: What on > > earth is Dot Side? I can't find the proposal > > anywhere - only some commentaries about it. > > > > - Andrew > > > > The so-called Dot Side opposes the orthodox position > > on the rules for forming and creating a cmevla. > > According to the orthodox view, no cmevla may > > contain the sounds "doi", "la", or "lai", unless > > they are immediately preceded by a consonant. Thus, > > Germany cannot be called {la doitclant.} and the > > Dalai Lama cannot be called {la dalailaman.} > > However, the advantage of the orthodox position is > > that there is no need to place a pause (dot) in > > between the words {doi}, {la}, or {lai} and a > > cmevla. For instance, in the phrase {.i la lojban. > > mo}, there is no pause inbetween {la} and {lojban.} > > > > The so-called Dot Side proposes the opposite rule, > > that the sounds "doi", "la", or "lai" should be > > allowed in cmevla, but every cmevla must always be > > preceded by a dot. Thus one could say {.i la > > .lojban. mo} or {.i la .doitclant. mo} or {.i la > > .dalailaman. mo}. > > > > Please note that, when a cmevla follows any word > > besides {doi}, {la}, or {lai}, both sides agree that > > there must be a pause before the cmevla. For > > instance, everyone agrees that {be'e .andruv.} and > > {mi'e .djan.} are correct. > > > > mu'o mi'e .sen. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/