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I was sort of hoping that someone else would take the practice
opportunity and translate.

-Robin

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:59:46AM -0400, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote:
> As a beginner who has only just got through "Lojban
> for Beginners", I still need to get replies in
> English.  Sorry! I can't communicate in lojban yet. 
> So unless your (Robin, Pierre) replies were not meant
> for me, please repeat them in English.  Many thanks.
> 
> - Andrew
> 
> 
> --- Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > zo cmevla cu se smuni lu cmene valsi li'u .i va'i pa
> > cmevla ro roi
> > valsi pa mei .i ku'i pa cmene cu vasru su'o valsi
> > 
> > -Robin
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 07:54:24PM -0400, ANDREW
> > PIEKARSKI wrote:
> > > I understand....I think...trouble is, neither
> > "Lojban for
> > > Beginners" nor the Reference Grammar even mention
> > cmevla.  In what
> > > way are cmevla different from cmene?
> > > 
> > > - Andrew
> > > 
> > > --- Nathaniel Krause <nathanielkrause@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > ANDREW PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote: What
> > on
> > > > earth is Dot Side?  I can't find the proposal
> > > > anywhere - only some commentaries about it.
> > > > 
> > > > - Andrew
> > > > 
> > > > The so-called Dot Side opposes the orthodox
> > position
> > > > on the rules for forming and creating a cmevla.
> > > > According to the orthodox view, no cmevla may
> > > > contain the sounds "doi", "la", or "lai", unless
> > > > they are immediately preceded by a consonant.
> > Thus,
> > > > Germany cannot be called {la doitclant.} and the
> > > > Dalai Lama cannot be called {la dalailaman.}
> > > > However, the advantage of the orthodox position
> > is
> > > > that there is no need to place a pause (dot) in
> > > > between the words {doi}, {la}, or {lai} and a
> > > > cmevla. For instance, in the phrase {.i la
> > lojban.
> > > > mo}, there is no pause inbetween {la} and
> > {lojban.}
> > > > 
> > > > The so-called Dot Side proposes the opposite
> > rule,
> > > > that the sounds "doi", "la", or "lai" should be
> > > > allowed in cmevla, but every cmevla must always
> > be
> > > > preceded by a dot. Thus one could say {.i la
> > > > .lojban. mo} or {.i la .doitclant. mo} or {.i la
> > > > .dalailaman. mo}.
> > > > 
> > > > Please note that, when a cmevla follows any word
> > > > besides {doi}, {la}, or {lai}, both sides agree
> > that
> > > > there must be a pause before the cmevla. For
> > > > instance, everyone agrees that {be'e .andruv.}
> > and
> > > > {mi'e .djan.} are correct.
> > > > 
> > > > mu'o mi'e .sen.
> > > > 
> > > >        
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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