From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 14 19:45:43 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcukI-0005fK-Ie for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:45:42 -0700 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.93.160] helo=skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcukD-0005fB-4S for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:45:42 -0700 Received: FROM [141.213.221.81] (bursley-221-81.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.221.81]) BY skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 46219193.537DD.13996 ; 14 Apr 2007 22:44:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070414000902.GH27657@digitalkingdom.org> References: <24392.36438.qm@web56403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <426987.29483.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20070414000902.GH27657@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Martini Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:44:34 -0400 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4248 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Robin said (elsewhere) was hoping someone would translate -- here's my go. "Cmevla" is defined as "cmene valsi" or "name word". One cmevla is always one word, but one cmene may be more than one word. On Apr 13, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > zo cmevla cu se smuni lu cmene valsi li'u .i va'i pa cmevla ro roi > valsi pa mei .i ku'i pa cmene cu vasru su'o valsi > > -Robin > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 07:54:24PM -0400, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: >> I understand....I think...trouble is, neither "Lojban for >> Beginners" nor the Reference Grammar even mention cmevla. In what >> way are cmevla different from cmene? >> >> - Andrew >> >> --- Nathaniel Krause >> wrote: >> >>> ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: What on >>> earth is Dot Side? I can't find the proposal >>> anywhere - only some commentaries about it. >>> >>> - Andrew >>> >>> The so-called Dot Side opposes the orthodox position >>> on the rules for forming and creating a cmevla. >>> According to the orthodox view, no cmevla may >>> contain the sounds "doi", "la", or "lai", unless >>> they are immediately preceded by a consonant. Thus, >>> Germany cannot be called {la doitclant.} and the >>> Dalai Lama cannot be called {la dalailaman.} >>> However, the advantage of the orthodox position is >>> that there is no need to place a pause (dot) in >>> between the words {doi}, {la}, or {lai} and a >>> cmevla. For instance, in the phrase {.i la lojban. >>> mo}, there is no pause inbetween {la} and {lojban.} >>> >>> The so-called Dot Side proposes the opposite rule, >>> that the sounds "doi", "la", or "lai" should be >>> allowed in cmevla, but every cmevla must always be >>> preceded by a dot. Thus one could say {.i la >>> .lojban. mo} or {.i la .doitclant. mo} or {.i la >>> .dalailaman. mo}. >>> >>> Please note that, when a cmevla follows any word >>> besides {doi}, {la}, or {lai}, both sides agree that >>> there must be a pause before the cmevla. For >>> instance, everyone agrees that {be'e .andruv.} and >>> {mi'e .djan.} are correct. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e .sen. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. >> >> >> >> > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > > >