From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 15 10:06:59 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hd8Bm-0003He-Ck for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:06:58 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hd8Bd-0003HO-BO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:06:58 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 32so819719ugm for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:06:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qpctu+zZkoS0qtl2vrBsj61NUPhQ4cQ3593Cf3TNmK0DOxQw21nvIz9raAS4w7HKlV9mCVsfPn9/OaEahPLucysme3rX5sRREfd8o0bMGrwh2bUvhPyKDCu+6KIyVkcXGFUxtPxhRPq8g3Kg6MqGWOvNh4jcvFrOon5HGlhtpMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lBXVxpIQzqru8H17d8fq0yRbI2XB8bFAS6iJ+XG/cyQM/KIMaHSuoe02Eddb1kwbCUXonMAISj4Dq0lcS1s1Jgr7VpLQjNXDRszRD4HAe5ncFWwj1xb826w+C96LZG+vzsoUnc5vYvnhQA+rizefgWYW/g0j9suGmkhxIph45TQ= Received: by 10.66.248.13 with SMTP id v13mr3665247ugh.1176656807392; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.46.19 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:06:47 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Vocabulary In-Reply-To: <987070.60840.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <987070.60840.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4254 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Andrew, It's not intended to be secretive. There is a simple explanation: we have a shortage of knowledgeable labor. Our involvement with beginners sometimes takes a few days, and at better times we experience a flood of responsiveness to beginners. We all lead busy lives and don't have enough time to create official materials, call meetings, vote, speak Lojban, or do anything else Lojbanic. Activity ebbs and flows, waxes and wanes, and it took fifty years to get as far as we are now. Plus, you may be surprised by this: Although I am a member of the Board of Directors of the Logical Language Group, have been speaking (not designing) the Lojban language for three years, I still don't know the answers to your questions off the top of my head. I don't design the language, expand on it, or invent new words. I never do any of that stuff. I just learn the gismu and cmavo, use Lojban from time to time, and try to spur additional activity from those who are better at it than me. So, here is the situation. I am currently putting together a local science fiction and open source software convention (Penguicon) which looks to be getting almost a thousand attendees this year. It will take place in one week and my phones, instant messengers, and emails have been shouting for me non-stop. I also recently started a new job and am looking for a second part-time employment. So my involvement in Lojban has been on an all-time downswing. Others are even less active than normal because I'm not stirring up activity as much as I usually do. I apologize because I love interacting with new people in the Lojban community, but I have been too busy to answer all your questions in the depth that I would like. Soon this will improve. It is a temporary phase and not normal. Thanks for your patience. -Eppcott On 4/15/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > This is all beginning to look very secretive, Matt. > > - What are the rules for constructing new cmevla (e.g. kadnygug)? > - Can anybody submit a new cmevla? > - Can anybody submit a new lujvo? > - Who has the authority to vote? > - How long does it take? > > I will have questions on specifc words, but it would help if I understood the process of words entering the language first. > > mu'o mi'e .andrus. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Matt Arnold > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:27:43 AM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Vocabulary > > > By enough people voting on it, who have the authority to do so. Few > do, and of those, few vote. > -Matt > > On 4/15/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > > OK, but I've not been able to find cmevla "kadnygug" in any dictionary or > > word list. Does that mean anybody can make cmevla when they feel like it? > > If yes, what are the rules for doing it? > > > > For that matter, I can't find lujvo "kadnygu'e" either. Now, the rules for > > constructing lujvo seem to be clear, except for the business of how a lujvo > > becomes official and gets into jbovlaste. So how does a newly constructed > > lujvo become official? > > > > mu'o mi'e .andrus. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "komfo,amonan" > > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:47:50 PM > > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? > > > > On 4/12/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great! Thanks to your collective efforts, I think I now understand why > > le, lo and la kandygu'e can be ok.........however, what about "la kadnygug. > > cu lamji la mergug" ? Surely "kadnygug" is not valid. Doesn't CLL state > > that a CVC rafsi cannot be at the end of a word? > > > > > > - Andrew > > > > > > A CVC rafsi cannot appear at the end of a *lujvo*; all lujvo are brivla, and > > all brivla must end in a vowel. "kadnygug." is a cmevla, built out of rafsi > > to signal its meaning to the listener. But one could certainly name one's > > pet capybara "kadnygug." just as one could name him "Canada". mu'o mi'e > > komfo,amonan > > > > > > > > > >