From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 15 17:11:43 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdEoo-0002El-Eo for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:11:43 -0700 Received: from web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.190]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdEoe-0002Ed-Re for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:11:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 24707 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2007 00:11:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MDKsUQQOZ3MjpLknqlHiHITmeRdxVTUdHO1k0SLUmWnsXEtCXj41r20F6E+vYtldWZIZfif1Bue5sUuVBfME3EtdgCyxTAnRSOcMP4Sts1rRiCTXxYBoIFVuvnj0qtabCbhl60eg810T66MQWEzcljwI2sD08lDqFvCVlahy2UY=; Received: from [74.96.97.233] by web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:11:25 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-703079166-1176682285=:24319" Message-ID: <830402.24319.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Score-Int: -16 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 4260 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-703079166-1176682285=:24319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, but I don't understand the connection between your last sentence and= the sentences before it. The only difference between =93la kadnygug=94 an= d =93la kadnygu=92e=94 is in the choice of rafsi. =0A=0Amu'o mi'e .andrus.= =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Turniansky, Michael" =0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.org=0ASent: Thursday,= April 12, 2007 2:27:20 PM=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what?=0A= =0A=0A A little follow up: Your name is =93Andrew=94 That means =93man=94= . Mine is Michael, it is from the Hebrew =93Mi Cha=92El=94-- =93Who is lik= e God?=94 But when someone says Michael or Andrew, they aren=92t thinking a= bout the meanings, because it=92s just someone=92s name, and the meanings a= re derived from non-English, so they don=92t think about it. But if my nam= e was =93Who-is-like-God?=94 You couldn=92t help but think about the meani= ng. So =93la kadnygug=94 is analogous to =93Michael=94 while =93la kadnygu= =92e=94 is analogous to =93Who-is-Like-God?=94. Okay?=0A =0A = --gejyspa=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban= .org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of ANDREW PIEKAR= SKI=0ASent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:19 PM=0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.= org=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what?=0A =0AGreat! Thanks to you= r collective efforts, I think I now understand why le, lo and la kandygu'e = can be ok.........however, what about "la kadnygug. cu lamji la mergug" ? = Surely "kadnygug" is not valid. Doesn't CLL state that a CVC rafsi cannot = be at the end of a word?=0A =0A- Andrew=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro= m: "komfo,amonan" =0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.org= =0ASent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:33:21 AM=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners]= Re: Now what?=0A=0AOn 4/12/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: = =0ABut in the real world, unless I am writing about alternate universes, I = have only one specific Canada in mind - so surely it must be "le kadnygu'e"= ?=0A=0ANot quite. In the sentence I used before (lo kadnygu'e cu lamji lo m= ergu'e), the sense of ' Canada ' is quite clear. But imagine someone leavin= g Canada & returning years later, finding it changed, and saying, "The Cana= da I remember has ceased to exist." I would go with le there:=0A=0Ale kadny= gu'e poi mi morji fi ke'a cu pu co'u zasti=0A=0AIn the real world, Canada i= s what it is. But in people's minds, there are different Canadas . You coul= d use 'la' there too. =0A =0AAs far as "la kadnygu'e" is concerned, "kadnyg= u'e" would have to be a name, but section 4.8 of the CLL says "Names may ha= ve almost any form, but always end in a consonant". So how can it be accep= table?=0A=0ATake a look at 6:2.6 -2.11. la/lai/la'i can take a selbri as we= ll as a cmene. But a cmene can only take la/lai/la'i, whereas a selbri can = take any of the gadri (lo, le, la, loi, &c.). The restriction is one-way.= =0A=0Amu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --0-703079166-1176682285=:24319 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, but I don't understand the connection between your last sentence= and the sentences before it.  The only difference between =93la kadnygug=94 and =93la kadnygu=92e=94  is in the choice of rafsi.
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mu'o mi'e .andrus.

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From: "Turniansky, Michael" <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com>= ;
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:27= :20 PM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what?

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