From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 15 17:28:30 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdF54-0002Uq-9O for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:28:30 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdF51-0002Ua-PO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:28:29 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB8DCE93F for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Vocabulary Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:28:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <301505.83848.qm@web88014.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <301505.83848.qm@web88014.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704152028.14136.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -21 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4261 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sunday 15 April 2007 18:08, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: > 3) In any case, they do not enter a cmevla list or dictionary i.e. > lojbanists need to remember them, note them down individually or whatever. One can enter a cmevla into jbovlaste. See http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/listing.html?type=cmene . There are three words for "Hong Kong" in the list, as yet another example of variants. > 3) Once a new lujvo is approved by the voting process, it becomes official > - which means (if I understand Pierre) that it enters the official > baselined lists in gimste, mao'ste and CLL. Votes determine which definition for a word to use. Whether to use the word at all will be decided by the dictionary editor, and I don't know how that will happen. > 3)The lists referred to above seem to be for gismu and cmavo - so where are > the official lujvo? There aren't any. There's a list called noralujv.txt, whose contents were imported into jbovlaste by the user noralujv, but many of these defs are unintelligible. > 4) Where do I find the CLL list? I thought the CLL is the same as the > online Reference Grammar, and there is no word list there. There isn't a list, but there's at least one discrepancy between the gimste and the CLL: {fi'u-} is the rafsi of {cfipu} according to the gimste, but of {frinu} according to CLL. ISTR that the BPFK awarded the rafsi to {frinu}, but I don't find it. Pierre