From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 18 06:41:30 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HeAPZ-0004BE-93 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:41:29 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1+j8orTJm0LTmm3vIvlVWdIeYgAz5x6+Qg=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HeAPR-0004AH-3k for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:41:07 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007041809410626921 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:41:06 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:41:07 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C781BF.3740E91F" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban geography and cultures Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7CA6@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7CA4@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban geography and cultures Thread-Index: AceBu4T6DOVYU9AzSRaoJTg+R50gYgAATvtgAABinYA= From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2007 13:41:07.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[375D3360:01C781BF] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C781BF.3740E91F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (BTW, you might try running lojbanic stuff that you don't understand through jbofi'e http://www.lojban.org/jboski), which would have said, in this case, religion-ish-crime*/sin*-ish-person(s). (It works on any length lojban utterance as long as their grammatical (although there are a couple of constructs it falls down upon, which I needn't go into at your level of lojban learning), and it's also good to doublecheck anything that you are saying in lojban is grammatical, and says what you intend it to say.) --gy =20 ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Turniansky, Michael Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:30 AM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban geography and cultures =20 Andrew asks: =20 > By the way, if gejyspa is reading this, what on earth does "jdazerpre" mean? I haven't been able to find "zerpre' in the gismu list. That's because "zerpre" is _not_a gismu Note that it has 6 letters, not five. jdazerpre is a three rafsi lujvo, from lijda zekri prenu. jdazei (or, in the form that it appears here, jdazer) means sin, blasphemy or heresy. A jdazerpre is a heretic/blasphemer/sinner. Here I'm using it humorously to suggest my "sin" of stating that lojban is not "culturally neutral" in every aspect. zo'o ( :-) ) =20 =20 --gejyspa =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C781BF.3740E91F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 (BTW, you might try running = lojbanic stuff that you don’t understand through jbofi’e http://www.lojban.org/jboski), = which would have said, in this case, = religion-ish-crime*/sin*-ish-person(s).   (It works on any length lojban utterance as long as their grammatical (although there = are a couple of constructs it falls down upon, which I needn’t go into = at your level of lojban learning), and it’s also good to doublecheck = anything that you are saying in lojban is grammatical, and says what you intend = it to say.)

      =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;      --gy

 

From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org = [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Turniansky, = Michael
Sent: Wednesday, April = 18, 2007 9:30 AM
To: = lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: = [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban geography and cultures

 

Andrew = asks:

 

> By the way, if gejyspa is reading this, what on earth does "jdazerpre" mean?  I haven't been able to find "zerpre' in the gismu = list.

  That’s = because “zerpre” is _not_a gismu  Note that it has 6 letters, not five.  jdazerpre is a = three rafsi lujvo, from lijda zekri prenu.  jdazei (or, in the form that = it appears here, jdazer) means sin, blasphemy or heresy.  A jdazerpre = is a heretic/blasphemer/sinner.  Here I’m using it humorously to = suggest my “sin” of stating that lojban is not “culturally neutral” in every aspect.   zo’o ( = J ) =   

 

      =             &= nbsp;          --gejyspa

 

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