From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 18 17:42:31 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HeKjG-0006xb-2Z for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:42:30 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HeKjC-0006x4-2c for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:42:29 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 32so506211ugm for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:42:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=phBI/n8zII26XhqCy5N1bhqxjAciTXp2zir5X6WjyaPUrrllEqq95MnSMyzqpBR2Z6dqarSHDLAmtaoIDA6DSiDeKTtRxRJvlw8cy8ntC71UgI4WpB2lcGneWjqh2cYTQgSHrJ5PBbEEHo5NWYAcKbS7TCSVqbSNbhEPxup/XUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EpNvDegYWfd5rY2wCHXxpTSpu8ClbDjvKAlycVzxk0Twe1cFhbhaAQxJINUcha3sVigBtB+OOKgzMznCV8GRL0HKrjxQY++kd6/TSiBdWHIaE5ntM8ukBrQ7IrFXeZSKDUk+ZZzRaeoHddij6/D6WIkuAUv/OxgeH+OqSL7Yt5s= Received: by 10.67.13.19 with SMTP id q19mr1621879ugi.1176943344160; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.46.19 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:42:24 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban geography and cultures In-Reply-To: <1176828792.4624fb78e6aa4@webmail.mail.rice.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C9E@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <200704171210.01471.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1176828792.4624fb78e6aa4@webmail.mail.rice.edu> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4301 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 4/17/07, mls1@rice.edu wrote: > I think there aren't enough musical gismu. I was thinking of translating "Black > Water" by the Doobie Brothers, but ran into trouble with words like "Dixieland" > and "Honky-Tonk" and "Funky". What I tried at first was making lujvo, but that > was rather difficult. I suppose fu'ivla could be used, but this still seems to > be a bias towards music non-importance. Even besides this translation attempt, > it is difficult to talk about music in general. There is the word zgike for > music, but how do you talk about jazz, or rock, or funk, or classical; let > alone tell the difference between swing and blues and latin jazz and bebop? > > Marjorie Marjorie, That sounds like a textbook appropriate case for creating fu'ivla (borrowings) if there ever was one. I wouldn't support whole gismu for musical styles whose invention and height of popularity were within a few decades of each other. On the scale of human civilization, that's a flash in the pan. Musical is just as jargoned as political philosophies or religious demominations and sub-demominations. Such things the gismu list cannot hope to cover. -Eppcott