From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 18 22:42:30 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HePPa-00047A-B7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:42:30 -0700 Received: from fungible9-dmfe1.mail.rice.edu ([128.42.59.179] helo=fungible9.mail.rice.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HePPX-00046o-F3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:42:29 -0700 Received: from scan1.mail.rice.edu (scan1.mail.rice.edu [128.42.58.160]) by fungible9.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDD51DB16 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:42:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fungible9.mail.rice.edu ([128.42.58.179]) by scan1.mail.rice.edu (scan1.mail.rice.edu [128.42.58.160]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01581-09 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:42:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from webmail1.mail.rice.edu (webmail1.mail.rice.edu [128.42.58.151]) by fungible9.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034D71DB15 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:42:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from cwis@localhost) by webmail1.mail.rice.edu (8.12.9/8.12.8) id l3J5gO0T016890 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:42:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail1.mail.rice.edu: cwis set sender to mls1@rice.edu using -f Received: from mob-03.rice.edu (mob-03.rice.edu [128.42.13.36]) by webmail.mail.rice.edu (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:42:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1176961344.4627014019e75@webmail.mail.rice.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:42:24 -0500 From: mls1@rice.edu To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban geography and cultures References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7C9E@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <200704171210.01471.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1176828792.4624fb78e6aa4@webmail.mail.rice.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-2.2.1 at scan1.mail.rice.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Score-Int: -13 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 4304 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mls1@rice.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners *shrugs* Okay. Makes sense. (Which is a good thing.) Marjorie Quoting Matt Arnold : > On 4/17/07, mls1@rice.edu wrote: > > I think there aren't enough musical gismu. I was thinking of translating > "Black > > Water" by the Doobie Brothers, but ran into trouble with words like > "Dixieland" > > and "Honky-Tonk" and "Funky". What I tried at first was making lujvo, but > that > > was rather difficult. I suppose fu'ivla could be used, but this still seems > to > > be a bias towards music non-importance. Even besides this translation > attempt, > > it is difficult to talk about music in general. There is the word zgike for > > music, but how do you talk about jazz, or rock, or funk, or classical; let > > alone tell the difference between swing and blues and latin jazz and bebop? > > > > Marjorie > > > Marjorie, > > That sounds like a textbook appropriate case for creating fu'ivla > (borrowings) if there ever was one. I wouldn't support whole gismu for > musical styles whose invention and height of popularity were within a > few decades of each other. On the scale of human civilization, that's > a flash in the pan. Musical is just as jargoned as political > philosophies or religious demominations and sub-demominations. Such > things the gismu list cannot hope to cover. > > -Eppcott > > > > >