From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 20 03:53:29 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Heqk2-0002eN-Il for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:53:28 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Heqjl-0002dm-1o for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:53:21 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-47457 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:52:48 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.22]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007042006524827907 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:52:48 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:52:48 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7833A.08E31D3A" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Please review # 001 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:52:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7CB2@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <46524.77863.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: Please review # 001 Thread-Index: AceDNwYtiTSja6qMQHOTxjNtokaSxwAAc7lQ From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2007 10:52:48.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[08F38F70:01C7833A] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7833A.08E31D3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your second sentence still needs "le/lo nu" after ki'u. ".ei" substitutes in for "bilga le nu", but ki'u must still be followed by only a single sumti. (and btw, you can also get rid of the second mi, really, in both version because it would be assumed that the nu sub-sentence (inner bridi) would have the same x1 place as the outer bridi. ) =20 As far as lenu vs. lonu, I would say in this case "lenu" after the ki'e" and "lonu" after tezu'e (and after bilga in the first version), as my personal prefence. Why? Possibly English bias, but because you are drinking quickly it for _the specific_ reason of being obligated in _a_ going to school for _a_ meeting with the teacher. =20 YMMV --gejyspa =20 =20 ________________________________ From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of ANDREW PIEKARSKI Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:44 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Please review # 001 =20 So now we have this: "In the morning, I drink coffee quickly as I have to go to my kid's school in order to meet his teacher." .i ca lo cerni mi [cu] sutra pinxe lo ckafi ki'u lonu mi bilga lenu klama le ckule be fo le panzi tezu'e lenu penmi le ctuca be ri=20 or the shorter .i ca lo cerni mi [cu] sutra pinxe lo ckafi ki'u .ei mi klama le ckule be fo le panzi tezu'e lenu penmi le ctuca be ri=20 =20 That leaves only the question of lenu and lonu. From the comments, my impression is that either will do in all cases - but surely we need some consistency. Your comments on making it xorlo-compatable, please. =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7833A.08E31D3A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

  Your second sentence still = needs “le/lo nu” after ki’u.  “.ei”  substitutes in = for ”bilga le nu”, but ki’u must still be followed by only a single = sumti.

(and btw, you can also get rid of = the second mi, really, in both version because it would be assumed that the = nu sub-sentence (inner bridi) would have the same x1 place as the outer = bridi. )

 

  As far as lenu vs. lonu, I = would say in this case “lenu” after the ki’e” and = “lonu” after tezu’e (and after bilga in the first version), as my = personal prefence.  Why? Possibly English bias, but because you are drinking quickly it for _the = specific_ reason of being obligated in _a_ going to school for _a_ = meeting with the teacher.

 

   = YMMV

      =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; --gejyspa  

 

From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org = [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of ANDREW PIEKARSKI
Sent: Thursday, April 19, = 2007 10:44 PM
To: = lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: = [lojban-beginners] Re: Please review # 001

 

So now we have = this:

"In the morning, I drink coffee quickly as I have to go to = my kid's school in order to meet his teacher."

.i ca lo cerni mi [cu] sutra pinxe lo ckafi = ki'u lonu mi bilga lenu klama le ckule be fo le panzi tezu'e lenu penmi le ctuca = be ri

or the shorter

.i ca lo cerni mi [cu] sutra pinxe lo ckafi = ki'u .ei mi klama le ckule be fo le panzi tezu'e lenu penmi le ctuca be ri =

 

That leaves only the question of lenu and lonu.  = From the comments, my impression is that either will do in all cases - but = surely we need some consistency.

Your comments on making it xorlo-compatable, = please.

 

 

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