From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 20 05:01:06 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HernO-0003hj-P8 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:01:00 -0700 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hermv-0003hC-Mf for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:00:51 -0700 Received: from mailgate.denbridgemarine.com ([83.104.25.50]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hermt-000Ixv-7a for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:00:27 +0000 Received: from strontium.elements (support.denbridgemarine.com [83.104.25.51]) (using SSLv3 with cipher EXP1024-RC4-SHA (56/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mailgate.denbridgemarine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A842E5084C for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:00:26 +0100 (BST) From: Colin Wright Organization: Denbridge Marine Ltd To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Constructive comments requested. Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:00:24 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7CB1@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7CB1@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704201300.25240.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4329 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I wrote: > ... page on the lojban language ... > > http://www.solipsys.co.uk/new/LojbanLanguage.html?LJ_BL > > I'd particularly appreciate comments from beginners as to > what might be added to allow for different interests and > reasons for starting lojban. Turniansky, Michael replied: > Just a quick comment that your first five sample sentences have a > superfluous "cu". It's not needed after "mi" or other pro-sumti. The > only reason that it is there is to mark where the selbri begins. > Therefore, it's important in cases like your sixth sentence, where > without it, it would only be the phrase "marketish big thing." I thought about that, and while it's true that it is superfluous, I feel that for beginners it's easier to explain something regular, and then later move to the idea of eliding some words when possible. In this context, however, especially since it's presented as a puzzle, I think the regularity wins, although I would be willing to entertain opposing views. -- Dr C.D.Wright, Director of Innovation and Engineering Denbridge Marine Limited, Cammell Lairds Waterfront Park, Campbeltown Road, Birkenhead, Wirral, Merseyside, CH41 9HP. Tel: +44 (0)151 649 4080 Fax: +44 (0)870 051 8953 Mob: +44 (0)7980 57 22 96