From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 20 05:07:00 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HertA-00049E-2A for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:06:57 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX18R64e9AxbC0sByUAtf4L6iZ3F5nMatedI=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hersz-00048r-4R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:06:55 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-54473 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:06:37 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.22]) by 0015-its-ieg02.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007042008063712626 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:06:37 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:06:37 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Constructive comments requested. Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:06:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7CB4@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <200704201300.25240.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: Constructive comments requested. Thread-Index: AceDRBzZaOSkG5iHTnycF79iUwu5RAAABuSw From: "Turniansky, Michael" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2007 12:06:37.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[58BA7D20:01C78344] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Fair enough. Just thought it might be a turn off to beginners to see how long and complicated even simple utterances can become. --gy -----Original Message----- I thought about that, and while it's true that it is superfluous, I feel that for beginners it's easier to explain something regular, and then later move to the idea of eliding some words when possible. In this context, however, especially since it's presented as a puzzle, I think the regularity wins, although I would be willing to entertain opposing views. -- Dr C.D.Wright, Director of Innovation and Engineering Denbridge Marine Limited, Cammell Lairds Waterfront Park, Campbeltown Road, Birkenhead, Wirral, Merseyside, CH41 9HP. Tel: +44 (0)151 649 4080 Fax: +44 (0)870 051 8953 Mob: +44 (0)7980 57 22 96