From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 20 05:57:46 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HesgI-0004tJ-3l for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:57:43 -0700 Received: from web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hesg5-0004sw-Qh for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:57:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 67110 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 12:57:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LX9l42WmJt3upfhITfh39ycLyO/AIqjKPJ6ZapydU+8Qi+/apsfR3mz3epJG1kgQQIQ1+9koczBAP/j0yTxDwl1kRWBwQdgIKyMhJ3CYSuiFcFbDgTYNRK61sDjwhgXBi57wssToqx3MbNWUWIAIzfwhjV26JatSPFYmfxQ/JkM=; Received: from [74.96.97.233] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:57:23 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:57:22 -0700 (PDT) From: ANDREW PIEKARSKI Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Please review # 001 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1118739212-1177073842=:67026" Message-ID: <398088.67026.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Score-Int: -7 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4331 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1118739212-1177073842=:67026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But if I am drinking quickly for the specific reason of going to school, ar= en't I just as specifically going to school in order to meet the teacher. = Therefore shoudn't tezu'e be followed by [lenu]? And what about [bilga]? I= am obligated not just to go generally, but ot make this specific trip. So= maybe [lenu] again?=0A=0Amu'o mi'e .andrus.=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message= ----=0AFrom: "Turniansky, Michael" =0ATo: l= ojban-beginners@lojban.org=0ASent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:52:48 AM=0ASubj= ect: [lojban-beginners] Re: Please review # 001=0A=0A=0A Your second sente= nce still needs =93le/lo nu=94 after ki=92u. =93.ei=94 substitutes in for= =94bilga le nu=94, but ki=92u must still be followed by only a single sumt= i.=0A(and btw, you can also get rid of the second mi, really, in both versi= on because it would be assumed that the nu sub-sentence (inner bridi) would= have the same x1 place as the outer bridi. )=0A =0A As far as lenu vs. lo= nu, I would say in this case =93lenu=94 after the ki=92e=94 and =93lonu=94 = after tezu=92e (and after bilga in the first version), as my personal prefe= nce. Why? Possibly English bias, but because you are drinking quickly it f= or _the specific_ reason of being obligated in _a_ going to school for _a_ = meeting with the teacher.=0A =0A YMMV=0A = --gejyspa =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.= org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of ANDREW PIEKARS= KI=0ASent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:44 PM=0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.= org=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Please review # 001=0A =0ASo now we h= ave this:=0A"In the morning, I drink coffee quickly as I have to go to my k= id's school in order to meet his teacher."=0A.i ca lo cerni mi [cu] sutra p= inxe lo ckafi ki'u lonu mi bilga lenu klama le ckule be fo le panzi tezu'e = lenu penmi le ctuca be ri =0Aor the shorter=0A.i ca lo cerni mi [cu] sutra = pinxe lo ckafi ki'u .ei mi klama le ckule be fo le panzi tezu'e lenu penmi = le ctuca be ri =0A =0AThat leaves only the question of lenu and lonu. From= the comments, my impression is that either will do in all cases - but sure= ly we need some consistency.=0AYour comments on making it xorlo-compatable,= please. --0-1118739212-1177073842=:67026 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But if I am drinking quickly for the specific reason of going to school= , aren't I just as specifically going to school in order to meet the teache= r.  Therefore shoudn't tezu'e be followed by [lenu]?  And what ab= out [bilga]? I am obligated not just to go generally, but ot make this spec= ific trip.  So maybe [lenu] again?
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Subject: [lojban= -beginners] Re: Please review # 001

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 = ; Your second sentence still needs =93le/lo nu=94 after ki=92u.  =93.e= i=94  substitutes in for =94bilga le nu=94, but ki=92u must still be f= ollowed by only a single sumti.

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(and btw, you can also get rid of the second m= i, really, in both version because it would be assumed that the nu sub-sent= ence (inner bridi) would have the same x1 place as the outer bridi. )

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&nbs= p; As far as lenu vs. lonu, I would say in this case =93lenu=94 after the k= i=92e=94 and =93lonu=94 after tezu=92e (and after bilga in the first versio= n), as my personal prefence.  Why? Possibly English bias, but because = you are drinking quickly it for _the = specific_ reason of being obligated in _a_ going to school for _a_ meeting with the teacher.

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From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounc= e@lojban.org] On Behalf Of = ANDREW PIEKARSKI
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So now we hav= e this:

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"In the morni= ng, I drink coffee quickly as I have to go to my kid's school in order to m= eet his teacher."

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.i ca lo cerni mi [cu] sutra pinxe lo ckaf= i ki'u lonu mi bilga lenu klama le ckule be fo le panzi tezu'e lenu penmi l= e ctuca be ri

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or the shorter

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<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.i ca lo cerni mi [cu] s= utra pinxe lo ckafi ki'u .ei mi klama le ckule be fo le panzi tezu'e lenu p= enmi le ctuca be ri =

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That leaves only the question of lenu = and lonu.  From the comments, my impression is that either will do in = all cases - but surely we need some consistency.

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Your comments on making it xorlo-compatab= le, please.

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