From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 22 14:38:05 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hfjky-0008BB-Ud for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:38:05 -0700 Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com ([66.249.90.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hfjkv-0008B2-Hs for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:38:04 -0700 Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b35so468359ika for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:38:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jgzc1vyYgD0wCh9qsUU37w26qWCRGSHJR3wkaWA2I+vd4pJDrfaKBXQU8Y3RWXht3umdS4R6pTL9kdBzfYOeUC5aVJ7v9qkSXtd1osnXuTbdB/8y0SkQZs595htMbv6BhjMDcthTIboVq7M3u2gqGztYuMK7D0B8L1WmAHHkWqk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=JG8sdKfrY/R5uvlSNlbFILqCZg+k5Cc1HFey6MPAmexfYCVlH0me9CMHHY6rBx+y8zozup5NxXwD1K2xT35nTbE3FgDdz3be/SPhxOBjlPFZRsFYeWo2TxxqezkMWbIDyD8pgS5W7ABOjzbraZ/yoiJDGRQiPvS+sOIVEyW847c= Received: by 10.78.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr912425huf.1177277879709; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.203.16 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:37:59 -0700 From: "Rob Hughes" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] New lojbanist asking about "po'e" and "lo" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 4365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robert.c.hughes@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Dear Lojbanists, I recently started learning Lojban, and I just joined the Lojban beginners' list. I'm working through Robin Turner and Nick Nicholas's _Lojban for Beginners_. May I ask a couple of questions about Lojban grammar? First, I'm puzzled about the relationship between "po'e" and "po". I understand that "po'e" can be used for unique inalienable possession. My hands are only mine and can't stop being mine, so I say "lo xance po'e mi". Is "po'e" used for inalienable possession that isn't unique? My father can't stop being my father, but he's also my sister's father. Can I say "lo patfu po'e mi", or should I say "lo patfu pe me" (or "lo mi patfu")? Second, I saw some posts on the lojban.org front page suggesting that the meaning of "lo" has changed. Is _Lojban for Beginners_ up to date? If not, is there a summary of the change that a beginner would understand? Thanks, Rob Hughes