From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 22 14:51:21 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hfjxo-0008Kg-8A for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:51:20 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.233]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hfjxk-0008KY-1r for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:51:19 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so2622418wxd for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:51:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HfMPPKmJzZGZPIcx4ZAasqKmjtO4lgvGHLx5m6qGXakmf3wmAipeUKxAgWfs0e4k2Grt8lrohoclsP7IgRxhqewmi1vPzENDbbW92COVSrWR/WMJFrYtL+NMFXDGtzTselFrg8ZYNo/VgGt8/mPVQEPdhcvzZqTKSSMWTKHT6jI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oWZ5bGuIrbm2JoJNc8vcDMa9h0U2WXhK9jaqpC5vOzYar00oWcQFmeDuyzotkpT26We/UT3ieA7/igz6gQag3087cA3+KOJKvALWUORwWWG9lo+qFOOE1mozMXUqXxG+Sm6i1qa6k6Xs8GSQ1OC7mdHufxRBeh/vAxAlz/R1GG0= Received: by 10.70.129.6 with SMTP id b6mr9115963wxd.1177278674190; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.20.19 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:51:13 +0100 From: "james riley" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: New lojbanist asking about "po'e" and "lo" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_53879_2063784.1177278673995" References: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Score-Int: -18 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 4366 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jimr1603@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_53879_2063784.1177278673995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline coi rob. I came up upon the same problem with {lo} and was directed to this site: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=How%20to%20use%20xorlo >From what I gather, it's becoming the standard, in its own time. It makes sense anyway. fe'o mi'e cmacis. On 22/04/07, Rob Hughes wrote: > > Dear Lojbanists, > > I recently started learning Lojban, and I just joined the Lojban > beginners' list. I'm working through Robin Turner and Nick Nicholas's > _Lojban for Beginners_. May I ask a couple of questions about Lojban > grammar? > > First, I'm puzzled about the relationship between "po'e" and "po". I > understand that "po'e" can be used for unique inalienable possession. > My hands are only mine and can't stop being mine, so I say "lo xance > po'e mi". Is "po'e" used for inalienable possession that isn't > unique? My father can't stop being my father, but he's also my > sister's father. Can I say "lo patfu po'e mi", or should I say "lo > patfu pe me" (or "lo mi patfu")? > > Second, I saw some posts on the lojban.org front page suggesting that > the meaning of "lo" has changed. Is _Lojban for Beginners_ up to > date? If not, is there a summary of the change that a beginner would > understand? > > Thanks, > Rob Hughes > > > > ------=_Part_53879_2063784.1177278673995 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline coi rob.

I came up upon the same problem with {lo} and was directed to this site: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=How%20to%20use%20xorlo
From what I gather, it's becoming the standard, in its own time. It makes sense anyway.

fe'o mi'e cmacis.

On 22/04/07, Rob Hughes <robert.c.hughes@gmail.com > wrote:
Dear Lojbanists,

I recently started learning Lojban, and I just joined the Lojban
beginners' list.  I'm working through Robin Turner and Nick Nicholas's
_Lojban for Beginners_.  May I ask a couple of questions about Lojban
grammar?

First, I'm puzzled about the relationship between "po'e" and "po".  I
understand that "po'e" can be used for unique inalienable possession.
My hands are only mine and can't stop being mine, so I say "lo xance
po'e mi".  Is "po'e" used for inalienable possession that isn't
unique?  My father can't stop being my father, but he's also my
sister's father.  Can I say "lo patfu po'e mi", or should I say "lo
patfu pe me" (or "lo mi patfu")?

Second, I saw some posts on the lojban.org front page suggesting that
the meaning of "lo" has changed.  Is _Lojban for Beginners_ up to
date?  If not, is there a summary of the change that a beginner would
understand?

Thanks,
Rob Hughes




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