From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 15 11:22:11 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 15 May 2007 11:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho1ez-0005M9-Vm for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:22:11 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho1ew-0005Ly-9X for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:22:09 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so2106855wri for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:22:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=tF0DHwWqQ5Gv1I4wNFU1D9yKTCEfQQjuwv7zcZ9RXHUBOVC8VNPo5zB5EEJ4EhOtDL+UqoaiTWhbWUGubTTgcY70QaWim5430G5u3CNhj6Lf4fQUiCB0qDJ1CDhkk2h/il2kscTJW9r3v2HwV/Ge6lTQfA5LeckXfNR8NGoWWws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:organization:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=msnx4GlSzpeL+3icMKQpafbJ2dQoEXD3LTlOcC6xhnSMC78RalHCC4nb1vKTpCDbwH6oNmw7W6R4kBCDzZEe9ycSJyUfJYBEkdp2+jrRAKsXWsWvRpI13Ozazt8pVByyJ1zfA0uNWLxTkpTgESZQ/qqRy2RmSTHPs/KjV2w5q5M= Received: by 10.78.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr2773440huf.1179253322773; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.101? ( [81.70.14.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x33sm4688420ugc.2007.05.15.11.21.58; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dominic van Berkel Organization: Nazgjunk.nl To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Starting to learn... but how? Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:21:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1179249371.4649eadba4d0b@ssl0.ovh.net> In-Reply-To: <1179249371.4649eadba4d0b@ssl0.ovh.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705152021.54846.nazgjunk@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4471 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nazgjunk@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tuesday 15 May 2007 19:16, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Hello! > > I believe most people start learning a language by > listening. Listening to others, recognizing and > repeating certain sounds: names, other isolated words, > maybe short phrases. Then, at the same time or > sometime later (it doesn't really matter), they find > out about the meaning: which object or person the > sound refers to, in which situation it may be employed, > etc. > > This seems to be the way kids learn their mother > tongue. According to my experience this method > works equally well for adults. Not quite as well. If I remember correctly kids are able to do this without pointers from another language until the age of 11. Adults really need guidance in a language they already know. Dominic van Berkel / pocev -- "Bi-la Kaifa" "Pure Vernunft darf niemals siegen" -- Tocotronic www.nazgjunk.nl - Poetry&Blog