From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 15 12:09:22 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 15 May 2007 12:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho2Od-0006g7-2w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:09:21 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho2OV-0006fq-0C for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:09:18 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so3564623wxd for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Kqr0MnyTdWBqlNNaVV8yyrDgK8ilPQI4pM+aW6DOfIco1nq1jp0R4MOPRrExaPuYwvL1zchJbxItHhRsvhy1q77EfCg5qINCp/301Q5fO6fLf2cMbZQbtut7IraLZYYFX6GEnhuHDAhkh14y0k7tAOMXBYdMvK0Xc7/u3oQvOzU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KwOzJf2e/pzNnLIiCWNxHDiXwrdcL/uWi1HjvC2lNsfGhZfwtmQVQINel64dQAOwlvKSV27v9eDOUfanBA3zr478i3c4b+AP+AR12x/NGkRckCub9/DaxvWDX1V/00OhRdLcG88YOk62cyZM5bC/IBxRZ7G1Gt+I4tS9v5FCsWk= Received: by 10.70.113.13 with SMTP id l13mr12136027wxc.1179256148181; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.19.13 with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:09:08 +0100 From: "james riley" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Starting to learn... but how? In-Reply-To: <200705152021.54846.nazgjunk@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3342_18876245.1179256148108" References: <1179249371.4649eadba4d0b@ssl0.ovh.net> <200705152021.54846.nazgjunk@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4472 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jimr1603@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_3342_18876245.1179256148108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Remember how much time it took to learn your first language using that method? If you can expose yourself to a new language completely for 2 or 3 years then you might be able to speak it fluently, but until I can afford that break I'll stick to my current methods. mu'o mi'e cmacis On 15/05/07, Dominic van Berkel wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 May 2007 19:16, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I believe most people start learning a language by > > listening. Listening to others, recognizing and > > repeating certain sounds: names, other isolated words, > > maybe short phrases. Then, at the same time or > > sometime later (it doesn't really matter), they find > > out about the meaning: which object or person the > > sound refers to, in which situation it may be employed, > > etc. > > > > This seems to be the way kids learn their mother > > tongue. According to my experience this method > > works equally well for adults. > > Not quite as well. If I remember correctly kids are able to do this > without > pointers from another language until the age of 11. Adults really need > guidance in a language they already know. > > Dominic van Berkel / pocev > > -- > "Bi-la Kaifa" > "Pure Vernunft darf niemals siegen" -- Tocotronic > www.nazgjunk.nl - Poetry&Blog > > > > ------=_Part_3342_18876245.1179256148108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Remember how much time it took to learn your first language using that method? If you can expose yourself to a new language completely for 2 or 3 years then you might be able to speak it fluently, but until I can afford that break I'll stick to my current methods.

mu'o mi'e cmacis

On 15/05/07, Dominic van Berkel <nazgjunk@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 19:16, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I believe most people start learning a language by
> listening. Listening to others, recognizing and
> repeating certain sounds: names, other isolated words,
> maybe short phrases. Then, at the same time or
> sometime later (it doesn't really matter), they find
> out about the meaning: which object or person the
> sound refers to, in which situation it may be employed,
> etc.
>
> This seems to be the way kids learn their mother
> tongue. According to my experience this method
> works equally well for adults.

Not quite as well.  If I remember correctly kids are able to do this without
pointers from another language until the age of 11. Adults really need
guidance in a language they already know.

Dominic van Berkel / pocev

--
"Bi-la Kaifa"
"Pure Vernunft darf niemals siegen" -- Tocotronic
www.nazgjunk.nl - Poetry&Blog




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