From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 20 10:35:39 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 20 May 2007 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HppJi-0003R9-NH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 10:35:39 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HppJg-0003R2-G8 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 10:35:38 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 32so809478ugm for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 10:35:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:x-face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=iAN0XT/lx0N7FAvfF5HLsr0CN+Mlbqf+Wmxzl+E1PxZ0+S8kQcgYCDXyZY+I0eAKX1zqNvuYdOVRhDIcpBfNhK5grxkRI0b5UfON3wMg0o/pkfFZgsVO280QrqIu5/v7+zHFFry/RtqFFYRaa2fakiCoCz31QzM/g0YQSFQE9nk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:x-face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=QJsLcTj8NhTvjSH4K07l2hQhldwFn1nN9VqZBFoPc76Dfrm4d4imxHA2ecvr1xmxt3ifyp3JoXyO4OegAUmqLohsO6VsImv61ii6YPnRRwLdHs4RC87LmI2gz4W99iOwwEYV7m+bMXLnjr+NqI6iuzffizgqzZcYo9AkE3kjwxA= Received: by 10.67.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr2747093ugi.1179682534161; Sun, 20 May 2007 10:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip142.cab8.ltln.starman.ee ( [82.131.8.142]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34sm4164247uga.2007.05.20.10.35.32; Sun, 20 May 2007 10:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmo Todurov To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: distinction between gismu & cmavo Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:35:25 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <2f91285f0705201027w32358e69v3e6093496d67cc5d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0705201027w32358e69v3e6093496d67cc5d@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: (GhLNi3m1lI/db>*YLVK9.^fusNMfm#22PiXI^CLVFAw*Ja0We%kf3|5PdWW/6#d)i8?4@=?utf-8?q?=0A=09Y6=25EZ=5C?=@P7$_WQm`N"mLte)/?OSgTuRqiMPVX^3uw1gSExPsM=s,P?Kv>qX358n>=?utf-8?q?-=27AF=7CLc=0A=09rqroX?=@J<0AF1JR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4191203.g0dVORtkPg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200705202035.30924.todurov@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4534 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: todurov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --nextPart4191203.g0dVORtkPg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline =C3=9Chel kenal p=C3=A4eval (p=C3=BChap=C3=A4ev 20 mai 2007 8:27 pm) kirjut= as Vid Sintef: > My understanding is that every gismu consists of 5 letters. But on the > gismu list I find those various words of less than 5 letters. {mi} is an > example. Precisely, is {mi} a gismu, or is it a cmavo? If cmavo, why can = it > be a sumti for a selbri without some descriptor like {le} as is the case > for a gismu when used as an argument? If you want to use a gismu as a sumti, you need an article (le, la, lo, and= =20 some others). If you want to use a cmavo (like mi, do, ko'a and lots of=20 others), you don't need articles. When you see stuff like "le mi palku", it doesn't mean that I'm pants, it=20 means "my pants", something different altogether. --nextPart4191203.g0dVORtkPg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGUIbdA5n1b8XPrFQRAhnlAJ49c3qc+eetDhO1v6wABBEHpz2V1gCdHp7f rS/pdiRdIBJzi81wMW4AO8E= =7PbI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4191203.g0dVORtkPg--