From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 21 01:39:15 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 21 May 2007 01:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq3QB-0003qQ-85 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:39:15 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq3Q8-0003pt-TT for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:39:14 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c23so339161anc for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:39:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gqsCrQbXSSWpgVd5A7VpVyM8eeJ9Hr4eIgVf/G/byeUYsq7Dl8WeeRXYxPjb6ndhYaRn8O7S0+6mj2qHMruA1Ux57dJ2DDsggEYZ+DCfv9ASD8BiXBn4JpZzQYLTXER/6npAM4NOGjkQHQO8wMvhAidOFqYRD2s2VCnKKHxNjos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IJAwR5dtA4Dp8PJ2VyIvtAw9IYeqJIUzovQiKNK1bWFtQ8ktBVB8TjLFeHjd+OcJsXjvLbhoauWgl5+CIF/IYySV719k+nk3aDo5dxFfLWOuQhvHx6u/hKJkF7ytoVy4Mwfuy407S39GVSPI0WmTvpZ1F/tqkz4sOqZlpMsST68= Received: by 10.100.42.7 with SMTP id p7mr2827430anp.1179736746276; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.174.8 with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537d06d00705210139k4dfb968ft1dd85b250f376f9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:39:06 +0200 From: "Philip Newton" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: distinction between gismu & cmav In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0705210013j76627dc5k4939dd7e7e994d70@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0705201557o75faa50avf0eaedd5f309881@mail.gmail.com> <419009.65918.qm@web56411.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <2f91285f0705210013j76627dc5k4939dd7e7e994d70@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4561 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners la .vid. cu cusku di'e > I wonder, for instance, what's a rafsi for {damri}, which is currently non-existent? The gi'uste only lists three-letter rafsi. All gismu (except for brodV) have four-letter (initial and medial) and five-letter (final) rafsi; thus, the rafsi for {damri} are {damr} and {damri}. > It's said that the number of rafsi assigned to a gismu depends on the > word's usefulness; but shouldn't {damri} be quite productive and > worthwhile, considering those numerous types of drum instruments in the world? Those would probably be named as fu'ivla, though, not as lujvo, and stage-3 fu'ivla use the four-letter rafsi anyway, not one of the three-letter rafsi. So, for example, a bongo might become {damrnbongo}. mu'o mi'e .filip.