From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 22 15:35:51 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 May 2007 15:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqcxL-0006B5-6T for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:35:51 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.241]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqcxG-0006Ar-Ol for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:35:49 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c23so740anc for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WkEXMS1z7/zCB17BFTAsTWP3/IrBX2D+I7JKqJC0JlbCBWXC0yAFIlXK0/8/uWxwNkzVwrlgA+H582zSlrCs2SoGCF6Tr62Bs3zpoixdgjp2C3XDfD7y8iq2q795ASPvodTpfIf7lPq8Kuc4bm/5MqiKRmBHQX1mWixiqhTBOLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rQtTe1O71gPXH7A+gpvP8uETUMdOqvOtLwi5k4SBt3nWGKOwP7J0GhiqAkSnEmex2cB9J5/fy42lykmcgjLh0MCGFVjBByCKRj+j3ZBoz1Fr/QSo2H4f7WPGJOcZ8SOBRBp4Z8Q5mjbJihgRieHgFXIMP4Z9o7oO5ibXYE+zTAA= Received: by 10.100.110.16 with SMTP id i16mr4245114anc.1179873345330; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560705221535x7563e245wd35dd0292a048d7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:35:45 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Five words In-Reply-To: <200705221808.33200.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <1179865979.4653537b1fa28@ssl0.ovh.net> <925d17560705221359h65cddb4dy4d42aa2eae639983@mail.gmail.com> <200705221808.33200.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4603 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 5/22/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 22 May 2007 16:59, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > On 5/22/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > bicycle > > > > relselxi'u > > relxilma'e. I prefer relsexi'u ("two-wheeler") because it has a simpler place structure (only two places, instead of the five for relxilma'e) but relxilma'e is also possible, sure. > {relselxi'u} means "has two wheels", but doesn't imply that it is > used to go anywhere. A lujvo doesn't need to contain a complete definition. {relselxi'u} doesn't really mean "has two wheels" any more than {pavyseljirna} means "has one horn". {se xislu re da} means "has two wheels". {relselxi'u}, being a lujvo, can have a more restricted or specific meaning. (Not that it can be said to mean "bicycle" for sure at this point, but it's a good bet that it will mean just that or something very similar.) mu'o mi'e xorxes