From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 23 05:44:29 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 May 2007 05:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqqCU-0007IB-L0 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:44:25 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqqC6-0007Hp-25 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:44:15 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so158133wxc for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ry5oZHJyItq1Hg3uYb+NIagD3CKDMRbl1Uzj9mVSS9boX7R8NeUyYUCR+47wAXSDlQuKYAkqHulnyw1Ca3XflUImeyF/YZH84qE0t7y4VpRsTo52Hd+1Vl4YcsvPFqPaPYK1ZQtEF6gJSni+3C9FfJTtMrroowqeTxMrgdkLwLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jRWfYIsJMEJ5k0EK4RxiVp5lvurd51BoeAMrmeXjP/2K9sI7iZBuqO+yYMlt1LTV3XUqw8aniAu5GGH9hhN3B557QyVEwx2c2jTrZ0YVEwXekhTlvYOFTC4sL04bgAAxwq36gmRpgCnNd7RpeFHJ8ltq041IbiyJVH2Kr/AMttI= Received: by 10.100.12.18 with SMTP id 18mr329732anl.1179924236579; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560705230543y918cfadh623c9da0bd7dd8f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:43:56 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A0: the first words In-Reply-To: <200705221815.06335.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D47@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> <1179853118.4653213e8147f@ssl0.ovh.net> <200705221815.06335.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4605 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 5/22/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > Is it "xa'ujbi" or "jbixa'u"? > > Which is better/more common? > > Different place structure. For "x1 is a neighbor of x2" I would use {xa'ujbi}, > since that's more like the place structure of {jibni}. The place structure I > would use for {jbixa'u} is "x1 lives at x2, which is near x3", which matches > the noralujv definition but not the other one in jbovlaste. I would build the place structures as follows: xa'ujbi: ko'a jibni ko'e lo ka ce'u xabju ma kau x1 is close to x2 in the property of where they live. jbixa'u: ko'a xabju lo jibni be ko'e x1 lives close to person/site x2 So the difference between them is that {xa'ujbi} woould be for the relationship between two people (two dwellers), while {jbixa'u} is a bit more general, for example it could also be used for the relationship between a person and a neighbourhood. mu'o mi'e xorxes