From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 23 07:52:39 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 May 2007 07:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqsCH-0001XI-Ic for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:52:22 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.232]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqsBj-0001W6-UE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:51:57 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id o37so246217nzf for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:51:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AnkCTs4vecADaw7RuoG20vRmlpa0aEMtFt5v2JawOOFlZrmLBpONRw9RTO2clB+OAOOfIstVQKvOA4Z8Zcjq7ghYa3d3LLwOgXxiXIXFbtsMwRzqgcWExAsdTY27Y4ekKW2q1KaFNK+eVS7/ldW5G3Woyp/jL4AgZ3LS1plbs0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ls9PyTCWocz57FVLVVrvGv/VSZf+YkUc9xV+kSEhceboUPYobqmoJohJ0PP2gSrveQrDdzyKTB+ZlO8E/odGHV9rFX+DxXm/rz+EIOq1IkgKGYw6j4MOBxBSkHOV9K0YwtAOQGUVIhyNHCK/maFNPn3oY2nTGIOz0qnWFpQr+wA= Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr331998wae.1179931899005; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.109.12 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160705230751sa3f6dc9ldfb339d19c988e8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:51:38 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojbanization In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0705230545h102beb4q6548c42b932bf299@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_98454_14229932.1179931898942" References: <2f91285f0705230545h102beb4q6548c42b932bf299@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c287138788840cf2 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4609 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_98454_14229932.1179931898942 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 5/23/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > > [...] > Also, how would you lojbanize a name beginning with "h", like "Hemingway" > or "Hegel"? Is it ok to use the apostrophe at the beginning of a word? Or > must we interpret the sound as "x", risking an even more phonological > distortion? I wouldn't worry about phonological distortion, which occurs when transposing most names from one language to another; I'd be willing to bet that Holsteiners say "Hegel" differently from Carinthians. As far as initial "h" goes, you can't start a word with {'}. I usually go with {x}, after poking around the etymology looking for a reason why it should be {.}. Once I used {.omeros.} for "Homer", but I don't think reading {xomeros.} would strike me as odd. Perhaps there ought to be a natlang-Lojban phoneme mapping system for names. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_98454_14229932.1179931898942 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 5/23/07, Vid Sintef <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
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Also, how would you lojbanize a name beginning with "h", like "Hemingway" or "Hegel"? Is it ok to use the apostrophe at the beginning of a word? Or must we interpret the sound as "x", risking an even more phonological distortion?

I wouldn't worry about phonological distortion, which occurs when transposing most names from one language to another; I'd be willing to bet that Holsteiners say "Hegel" differently from Carinthians. As far as initial "h" goes, you can't start a word with {'}. I usually go with {x}, after poking around the etymology looking for a reason why it should be {.}. Once I used {.omeros.} for "Homer", but I don't think reading {xomeros.} would strike me as odd. Perhaps there ought to be a natlang-Lojban phoneme mapping system for names. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan


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