From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 23 08:02:42 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 May 2007 08:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqsLz-0001nB-KH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:02:30 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.251]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqsLD-0001iI-VN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:01:57 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so60745ana for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gV3Tf8pQCImue8H0x7jB0Y25LaYCNvmkvsnhe1kJ1UywU+lxDMJTM2ExC22snijl73nO/u/gHb5PLAVRKdxIlRKyinZgz+MyvbaVzkTdvWmTtlwsr+aLNGEpHK+Ui3SuT1whAuTeFlWsF/gpjQ6CsmC6b3WWvEhnwu8+GqHUtnU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PKs6NULkZIDetcNhp2Q16KE7FXDJlz7Omxf/dxAlJsyxUuhyYwu0DkV1bWa6SNsPpEcmpIxEHT/I5wUWUuzInQvBnlhEcsmPQ/z0Fb7JvqFnVL0o5qsDIO5f6QJjRPsgYcynV1rmGblE7eo2IMnXUbvN1MkHkP0aWSOwTXrfiJ0= Received: by 10.100.207.16 with SMTP id e16mr524537ang.1179932484877; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.174.8 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537d06d00705230801g59b7bf87x70a0e8820db6686a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:01:24 +0200 From: "Philip Newton" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojbanization In-Reply-To: <12d58c160705230751sa3f6dc9ldfb339d19c988e8d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0705230545h102beb4q6548c42b932bf299@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160705230751sa3f6dc9ldfb339d19c988e8d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4610 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 5/23/07, komfo,amonan wrote: > Perhaps there ought to be a natlang-Lojban phoneme mapping system for names. It'd be ahead of English, which has semi-standardised transliterations for some languages, but you still get "Muhammad" vs. "Mohammed", etc. Not to mention that then you'd have to worry about dialects -- would it be acceptable to use a one-size-fits-all mapping from, say, Greek for the name of someone who pronounces his name in his native dialect not with /dz/ (as in "adze") but with /dZ/ (as in "edge") instead? In which case, {la .opuDJIS.} would arguably be better than the {la .opuDZIS.} you'd probably get from a standardised, based-on-the-standard-dialect, mapping. mu'o mi'e .filip.