From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 24 15:02:03 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 24 May 2007 15:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrLNi-0004jT-FH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:02:02 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrLNf-0004hY-Ah for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:02:01 -0700 Received: (qmail 4690 invoked by uid 503); 24 May 2007 22:00:03 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 24 May 2007 22:00:03 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail14.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 24 May 2007 22:00:03 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 24 May 2007 22:01:54 -0000 Received: from 40.102-225-89.dsl.completel.net (40.102-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.102.40]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:01:54 +0200 Message-ID: <1180044114.46560b52223fd@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:01:54 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: dicussions about basic vocabulary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.102.40 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4653 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Oh, no! This is not what I mean, Robin. I'm not worried about the root words, i.e. "gismu" and "cmavo" (?). There seems to be consensus about these. And there are only a few thousand of them, as you pointed out. This should be relatively easy to learn. Well, some of them may not even be in the 10000 word dictionary I have in mind. Remember I want "everyday words". For instance, I think that some of the gismu are a bit too general to be relevant for everyday communication. I'm rather worried about the huge number of combinations and derivations! This is where I think there is a lack of consensus among speakers. Some of these combinations are realy difficult to tell apart. And everybody seems to have their own preferences. This is what is difficult to cope with for beginners. So it's not a questions of Lojban being too poot in vocabulary. On the contrary, I think Lojban is too rich (at least for a beginner)! Martin Selon Robin Lee Powell : > Saying "We should pare down all these conflicting possibilities to X > simple ones instead" when we don't even *have* X conflicting > possibilities to choose from seems rather premature. > > -Robin > > On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:51:48PM +0200, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > Sorry, Robin. I don't see what you mean. > > > > Selon Robin Lee Powell : > > > > > On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 06:35:04PM +0200, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > > > Maybe a standard "imposed" dictionary of (say 10000) common > > > > everyday words could solve this dilemma? > > > > > > First would should *have* 10 thousand words at all, don't you think?