From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat May 26 08:48:11 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 26 May 2007 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HryUo-0004rf-Rz for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:48:01 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HryUO-0004rL-DV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:47:54 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so334964ana for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pXl5S804xDe1vRxPyKpVENNYwfc3DWqON0k6+A1fOb/vMZmKf6Mkkr69r60M7UVrHMuGYrKC3xERFhTN8HoJtYQSnwUYsin1QXYpzMxG7I5891xZpBdwIFxxbf+tI0K42akI18E4cmInZSPq1tyiyImNWZyQpxtAyVgK7eqFQuY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XgczzaC1+T6icC8gW6Zxkk3vGaf7zvFrzL8f0HNL/D3PtvjB9hxLW6suGVI42lBRzIxX9X05XzDsxumVNZEgihgnQCW9slB/0r1VzKIqj47A1v0rllnQFC2GeM0cVoFtxPm3fFqMFZg7lvn9EDeASDxsvy/fzNRYRGgH/BIBGDg= Received: by 10.100.230.13 with SMTP id c13mr3514033anh.1180194449662; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.92.6 with HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23dc8c770705260847k6632ad54q6cec11de90681d9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 16:47:29 +0100 From: "Karl Naylor" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: {sutra tavla + ...} In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0705260825m41ab01e1uf9eab937f6f82dd8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0705260825m41ab01e1uf9eab937f6f82dd8@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4696 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: karl.org@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 26/05/07, Vid Sintef wrote: > In the Book's chapter 2.9 there's a tanru {sutra tavla cutci} which is said > to mean "a shoe that is worn by a fast talker". But I think it can also mean > "a shoe that is of a fast-talking type (and is worn by x2)" i.e. "a shoe > that talks fast", as {sutra tavla pendo} can possibly mean "a friend that is Yes, all tanru are inherently ambiguous. This is in the nature of a tanru; it sacrifices precision in favour of speaking quickly and without excess verbal baggage. If you need precision you can move the 'modifying' words from the tanru into explicit places of the 'modified' word, or use other means to specify the exact relationship between the gismu involved. I would resolve {sutra tavla pendo} based on context, as I imagine other Lojbanists would.