From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 28 10:49:23 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 28 May 2007 10:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsjLO-0002tL-Ri for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:49:23 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsjLK-0002tC-M2 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:49:22 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1165216wxc for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K/Zby8q1TM41O30lZ8dpKypg/WXbfpwu8QHuhnAE0JR5m/TFhkXqqUhsCOGyPOpob0ji2Ym+pHf+RnufHkRPZqU6VdnbggsAgWFmhDYjc0sR2rLLsrMH64VMHpRsapDbeKAz1WXO2X1E8JSiva6OqzDRnwx60oPXXkw4tGX92Ko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JE4vDHUCKltKrMXBffJruxcCM4EL4hBPl7mfWeGuRj4KD3zYs3668fn8Vluo1psjWEN6NT+d+suWw6QajZVC/MlmMoX4qEU2OIOm4AaAL9TyUlWJSiOUnXjb7wQlI8gB2/mJOLh7zHXq6ZOqV4CpPLL21wvzu85DFiMzEqdym5s= Received: by 10.70.66.18 with SMTP id o18mr8780053wxa.1180374557061; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.63.14 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:49:16 -0700 From: "David Cortesi" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #85 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_111750_1396558.1180374556996" References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4755 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: davecortesi@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_111750_1396558.1180374556996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline From: m.kornig@sondal.net > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: dicussions about basic vocabulary > > Okay I understand your point. Let's add some more > "web-communicaton" words to my list. > ..."smacu" (mouse), I would not think that a good idea. {smacu} is the word for an animal. It's a poor metaphor in English as the resemblance to a small rodent is at most physical. (Possibly the use of "mouse" helped market the idea to nervous users.) But it would be preferable IMO to have a tanru that describes a pointer-controlling instrument moved by the hand: some combination selected among jitro x1 controls x2... jgari x1 grasps x2... xance x1 is a hand... gidva x1 guides/pilots/leads x2... jesni x1 is a needle jipno x1 is a tip/point/vertex... tunta x1 pokes/jabs x2... {xancu gidva jipno} has a nice ambiguity as it could suggests both hand-guided pointer and hand-related guiding-pointer (yes, I know there are rules). The hand guides the pointer and the pointer guides the eye. The mouse pointer on the screen (the image controlled by the hand) needs a separate name. I suppose {taljipno} (that-ish-vertex) would be ungrammatical... ------=_Part_111750_1396558.1180374556996 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

From: m.kornig@sondal.net
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: dicussions about basic vocabulary

Okay I understand your point. Let's add some more
"web-communicaton" words to my list.
..."smacu" (mouse),

I would not think that a good idea. {smacu} is the word
for an animal. It's a poor metaphor in English as the
resemblance to a small rodent is at most physical.
(Possibly the use of "mouse" helped market the idea
to nervous users.) But it would be preferable IMO to have
a tanru that describes a pointer-controlling instrument
moved by the hand: some combination selected among

jitro x1 controls x2...
jgari x1 grasps x2...
xance x1 is a hand...
gidva x1 guides/pilots/leads x2...
jesni x1 is a needle
jipno x1 is a tip/point/vertex...
tunta x1 pokes/jabs x2...

{xancu gidva jipno} has a nice ambiguity as
it could suggests both hand-guided pointer
and hand-related guiding-pointer (yes, I know
there are rules). The hand guides the pointer
and the pointer guides the eye.

The mouse pointer on the screen (the image controlled
by the hand) needs a separate name. I suppose
{taljipno} (that-ish-vertex) would be ungrammatical...


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