From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 30 08:30:57 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 30 May 2007 08:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtQ8W-0005PD-5k for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:30:56 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.229]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtQ8R-0005By-Gv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:30:55 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1654493wxc for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ePaVGSuX8OVVwE1Qwjudx/dqovaxozISw2P4MOFNrB8rqbPaB64ckFZ9a8TJo/JWuJuXwPokPfFxOAYFqtJtdS6rtMoUzPTOo+nveiN8RceXPI01loYqVXuXOUrfiYUBe6a6sJjwZHUtvusBqGZSxB9F2yu+6oXJUB98I9+Q24Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V55anML9Em9TrU3NwpkbB0relw+LxTM2d0TuAsyquMHnxPFxUCwxGYEdBAX/mH+53HC50xZM/rgpIU9xNAGdQTIfNXqqypFYKsNr+6Y9Ww3OOC3tUeGwVm5Mvo5qBFb8dy+UjDYmmWn4pDUuW9liN0DtLA9muTmKC3EsnKNYoII= Received: by 10.90.118.12 with SMTP id q12mr950038agc.1180539032818; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.101? ( [81.70.14.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q34sm128094wrq.2007.05.30.08.30.24; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <465D9877.1010700@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:29:59 +0200 From: Dominic van Berkel User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070403) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: My First Lojban Words 1.4 References: <1180380955.465b2f1b54bc7@ssl0.ovh.net> <2f91285f0705281848n491bc366u6d2423c7de6fc41@mail.gmail.com> <1180457789.465c5b3d89784@ssl0.ovh.net> <2f91285f0705291226i140724b4y53bd7cf7c29c49c4@mail.gmail.com> <1180537293.465d91cdc249d@ssl0.ovh.net> In-Reply-To: <1180537293.465d91cdc249d@ssl0.ovh.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 OpenPGP: id=14E62AD8; url=http://www.nazgjunk.nl/Dominic_van_Berkel.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4784 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nazgjunk@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, it works for children, but according to the main theories this capability is lost around age 11. I have my doubts if Lojban is even suited for such intuitive and implicit learning, regardless of age. It'd be a nice yet oh so inhumane experiment to have a child grow up hearing and seeing primarily Lojban text. Dominic m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > Listen Vid, > > Of course, you need to "know" about grammar if > you want to put words together in a reasonable > way in order to form sentences. But I don't want to > teach this explicitly. I'd rather perfer that > beginners learn this implicitly or "intuitively". > > How? > > Well, by showing them properly formed sentences, > by having them repeat and use them. They will > "get used" to the grammar and be able to from > and understand sentences. > > This is now kids learn their native language. > Without any explicit grammar training and > without knowing any grammar terms. I think > this whould work for adults, too. At least > for beginner. > > Martin > > > > - -- "Bi-la Kaifa" "Pure Vernunft darf niemals siegen" -- Tocotronic www.nazgjunk.nl - Poetry&Blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXZh3FVIcXBTmKtgRAjkqAJ9+xcsyBShGuukWr/JqN72F0TtQYQCeP+XQ S6rDvPMsAqKq6XTGYIDEwzs= =W5o/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----