From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 01 07:57:33 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hu8ZI-00037b-J7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:57:33 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hu8ZF-00037S-7J for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:57:31 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so192224ana for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:57:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hIb5En05WN71+z2WV6cbg+Hzxr2+R4CF3urqyrQuOeY7baSlMv1GPQW1gBnmAj4XZh83a0dMQRHZg3p26cRW/214eN0yDBP7ln+WWRQPcG9wDXnjWb+Mchvw7txrotD71pl7Q5Gv5FuS2k5xrbUdPfxQ9bmP4stF2Da0672XNGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b0bh3xNGrN/TdeYluyYZGNHgVQBKFNa3TuYGyOf7ih3Qg61CWWnLMFadI71LV3WZ/rR2zRruCQGKQGG2P387CT2Fh1qJF/BIkNgs7xTpgc7opNQre2j+yj6JjAbq/FAnnAvPhTeinkOXp8J2KLkXX0yDTXCGG7IZ5iVU6N257sA= Received: by 10.100.94.3 with SMTP id r3mr1061968anb.1180709844511; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706010757h3be7c618h8f4dadc84cd6dbc8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:57:24 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la melpelkre .e le ci cribe In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D6D@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560706010607r7d756748he358f5a758b05f39@mail.gmail.com> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D6D@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/1/07, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] wrote: > > Another thought: How about the parents say, "da pu co'a citka le mi > mavypesxu" (note I used "co'a" not "ca'o here" and Baby bear says, "da > pu co'a citka le mi mavypesxu .ije i'enai mo'u go'i "? That would work, yes. They could even say: - da pu co'a citka lo mi mavypesxu - da pu co'a je pu mo'u i'e nai citka lo mi mavypesxu For the other one, I really don't think {sipna} is the right word. How can they tell that someone has been actually _sleeping_ on their bed? I prefer - da pu ca'o vreta lo mi ckana - da pu ca'o je ca za'o i'e nai vreta lo mi ckana This also solves the problem of what tag to use, since {vreta} already has the right places. In the case of {sipna}, I would prefer {bu'u} to {di'o}. I understand {diklo} as saying that location x1 is a specific locus/spot on location x2. There doesn't seem to be any specific locus on the bed that is relevant here. (This is actually a pretty good story for teaching aspects in Lojban.) mu'o mi'e xorxes