From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 01 12:06:18 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HuCS0-0003uG-Te for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:06:17 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HuCRs-0003u2-J4 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:06:15 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so211200ana for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:06:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uCtB9lRyvHJ3OX4wZnCbSx66k9HH7R0kiQJLnVwPvhYFyHk3sv5UlcknR04sM3Ds4rP3I/x29Gpbb7/BXm9QR6CLak8c+SaZ1EpyiIohRy6RBR9FKLJ+jCyqmdzXdMYHBqSqojj3veZnszkgA7uzJEm0kSKZrpzjJN2MeEn4TPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o/6tnjFmuRvUJLqGcaDmAJ5UOxDD07m9YTw4wihZWA7LbtAm1ZurkS4DB/bf/g/FxzXwxYISkiSVROnrlhuV4f6SePyW6zs+Ica3BmETs1Eb9iYhJ8EBqr69aTM1/bc24eszWhpMdK5HO9jWPQPx2Rk4L9nSgciE92fEU0RZZxI= Received: by 10.100.92.17 with SMTP id p17mr1212398anb.1180724766333; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706011206s4d0b455an632bf70a55e3376c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:06:06 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la melpelkre .e le ci cribe In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D70@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560706011100v664c20abp506ea43016c81752@mail.gmail.com> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D70@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4811 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/1/07, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] wrote: > > (btw, is there a word for smart/intelligent? I can't seem to find one, nor > one for dumb/stupid for that matter. "prije" doesn't really seem to have > the connotations that I want...) {tolbebna}? Some people use {mencre}. > I interpret "x1 is local to x2;x1 is confined to locus x2 within > range x3" to mean that x1 is an object or event that happens/exists > only at a specific location. "That rash (x1) is on the arm (x2) (of my > body (x3))", "The wedding (x1)was in the social hall (x2) (of the > church (x3))", So like {zvati}, but with an additional x3? > "The evacuation (x1) was only of Baltimore (x2)" This one would seem to say that the evacuation took place in Baltimore, rather than that Baltimore was evacuated. > "The event of Goldilocks sleeping (x1) was on the bed (x2)" Hence, > di'o would be used to describe whatever the object or event that is > localized to the bridi, a much slipperier (and less useful) concept. But do you see any difference between {ko'a zvati ko'e} and {ko'a diklo ko'e}, or are they near synonyms? > Perhaps something like: mi'o ba ganzu tu'a le kumfa di'o le bliku > (you and I will organize the room, specifically the blocks therein). {ne di'o le bliku} if you want to tie the blocks to the room. I would rather say something like {mi'o ba ganzu le kumfa .i sa'e go'i le bliku poi zvati ky.} mu'o mi'e xorxes