From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jun 02 09:03:37 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HuW4X-0003he-3R for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:03:29 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.234]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HuW4B-0003ba-Cm for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:03:11 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so733781wxc for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:02:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qichLbuTDoNrLh01Tk4UsYSEJn8IP6AVN0PBnfRzPOe+M/GyiXMpl+EPW/zzEfvatfxS3eWbSfm7p7iJJmBGSc91tzBX3eGKadegoJ4E8JQUCXrJXJs+PLfeXvtR7dLwZaEMGvUtfUcBrNd4r5VUOtB6zn0XOQX4IPAI73pVWSE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=k8otNGPIXcm0Z5aNgPB3dBwuNUSKSaKNbuswMDVHugTXG3sJZBjRsEOBcxNsgTA8YWYN3wB2tN+QxZziYdkbAqMEUPOJR8e/PRdzvTEb8q3NFs5AwgwZoU/OBiGIzvprlhFlK9+5jjqs9JQjroJfXtDpz4RObwcIBIvnlOqHzAc= Received: by 10.70.29.7 with SMTP id c7mr4554921wxc.1180799757444; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.19 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0706020855x9eecf9bjbfbd5f66fe24b716@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:55:57 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] {ce'u} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9708_27955751.1180799757384" X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4816 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_9708_27955751.1180799757384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In Lojban For Beginners Chapter 15: Properties, mi mansa do leka ce'u pensi: I satisfy you that the property "x1 is intelligent" applies to me. What does this "applies to me" mean? Does it mean that the { ce'u } here is (somehow) specialized to mean "me"? If so, why? Previously the author says, when explaining { le ka ce'u xlura }, "anyone or anything that has that property can stand in for ce'u". So, theoretically, shouldn't { mi mansa do leka ce'u pensi } also mean something like "I satisfy you so that you can cogitate (something)"? Vid ------=_Part_9708_27955751.1180799757384 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In Lojban For Beginners Chapter 15: Properties,

mi mansa do leka ce'u pensi: I satisfy you that the property "x1 is intelligent" applies to me.

What does this "applies to me" mean? Does it mean that the { ce'u } here is (somehow) specialized to mean "me"? If so, why? Previously the author says, when explaining { le ka ce'u xlura }, "anyone or anything that has that property can stand in for ce'u". So, theoretically, shouldn't { mi mansa do leka ce'u pensi } also mean something like "I satisfy you so that you can cogitate (something)"?


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