From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 03 22:56:00 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hv5Xr-0001VT-Hu for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:56:00 -0700 Received: from netscaler1.rice.edu ([128.42.205.5] helo=mh4.mail.rice.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hv5Xo-0001Rq-ST for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:55:59 -0700 Received: from mh4.mail.rice.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mh4.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2B7880AA for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:55:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-2.4.4 at mh4.mail.rice.edu Received: from mh4.mail.rice.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by mh4.mail.rice.edu (mh4.mail.rice.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B9RJKUSAvTeV for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:55:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Starlight (c-24-18-203-65.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.18.203.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh4.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBA7880A2 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:55:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Marjorie Scherf" To: References: <1180908797.46633cfd69599@ssl0.ovh.net> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mp3 files: can you help? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:54:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c7a66c$cd72a570$0300a8c0@Starlight> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1180908797.46633cfd69599@ssl0.ovh.net> Thread-Index: AcemQQYs71aFIWOmSiim56bChKgT+QAKvtPw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4851 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mls1@rice.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of m.kornig@sondal.net Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:13 PM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mp3 files: can you help? Hello everybody, It's been an exciting moment for me: Thanks to Hans, Matt and Matt's grilfriend (female voice) I've heard other people speak Lojban for the first time. A big thank you to all three of them! Please find their 15 recordings enclosed. I would like to comment on a few points and ask for your advice/views: (1) The recordings have different bandwidths: 64kbps (Matt and his girlfriend) and 128kbps (Hans). Clearly, 64kbps doesn't seem to be sufficient for speech. Due to this technical problem Matt's "p" in "pa" is absent and his "c" in "ci" is very shrill. Matt, could you try to record your voices again using 128kbps? (2) I'm surprised (and a bit puzzled) by the variety of accents. In particular: (2a) The length of the vowels are very different. Compare for instance Hans' "mu" (short) on the one hand and Matt's "mu" (long) on the other. Hans' "pa" is relatively short, too. Are the lengths of the five principal vowels in numbers meant to be different? Personally, I speak all vowels relatively long. But I'm only a starter and that may be wrong... (2b) Some of the speakers seem to pronounce diphthongs. In particular the female voice's "re", "vo" and "mu" sound a bit like diphthongs. Is this acceptable/reasonable for listening examples from which others would learn pronunciation? (2c) I'm very surprised by the sound of the vowel "e": Three different speakers, three different "e"s. Personally, I pronounce this vowel more like Matt. Which pronunciation is "correct"? Does it really matter? Would it be reasonable to have both Hans' and Matt's "e" next to each other as "valid" accents? (2d) I'm very much surprised by both Matt's and Hans "o" in "vo". They sound like the German "wo" or the French "eau". I thought "o" was supposed to sound like the Southern British English vowels in words like "four", "law" or "more". Again: which is "correct"? Does it really matter? Is my understanding okay? If so, should it be included? Is the German "wo"-sound acceptable? I would appreciate the views of experienced Lojban speakers on these points. Cheers, Martin Does anyone have suggestions on where to get a microphone for my laptop? mu'omi'e .skaryzgik.