From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 04 09:50:40 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvFlP-0001hM-AM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:50:39 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvFlI-0001UZ-7V for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:50:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 22619 invoked by uid 503); 4 Jun 2007 16:50:12 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 04 Jun 2007 16:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail235.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 16:50:12 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 16:50:16 -0000 Received: from 13.96-225-89.dsl.completel.net (13.96-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.96.13]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:50:16 +0200 Message-ID: <1180975816.466442c8e60e9@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:50:16 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mp3 files: can you help? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.96.13 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4857 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Selon Matt Arnold : > On 6/3/07, m.kornig@sondal.net wrote: > > (2) I'm surprised (and a bit puzzled) by the variety of > > accents. > > Why? Almost all learners understand the pronunciation instructions > differently, I would say, if instructions are understood so differently they aren't any good. Or at least they lack clarity and/or precision. What's the point in instructions so many people seem to mis- understand? Also, I do believe that it's extremely difficult to explain about vowel sounds without any sound samples. > ... More importantly, so long as the phonemes are > sufficiently different from one another that they won't be confused > for other phonemes, accents are unimportant. I don't quite agree, Matt. People with strong accents are hard to understand. If you speak to an international or multcultural audience you don't talk to them in some local accent. You want to choose some kind of "mainstream" or neutral accent. If you do speak in a local accent you are arrogant or ignorant or maybe both. This holds for almost any language, I believe. And it should hold for Lojban, too. This is why I think accents ARE important.