From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 04 10:05:52 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvG05-0003ZO-Oc for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:05:51 -0700 Received: from 25.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.37.103]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvG01-0003VB-Mv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:05:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 16917 invoked by uid 503); 4 Jun 2007 17:05:34 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 04 Jun 2007 17:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail235.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 25.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 17:05:34 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2007 17:05:37 -0000 Received: from 13.96-225-89.dsl.completel.net (13.96-225-89.dsl.completel.net [89.225.96.13]) by ssl0.ovh.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:05:37 +0200 Message-ID: <1180976737.46644661be205@ssl0.ovh.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:05:37 +0200 From: m.kornig@sondal.net To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mp3 files: can you help? References: <1180908797.46633cfd69599@ssl0.ovh.net> <9C777530-ACDE-4369-95A8-81F167CE3482@umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <9C777530-ACDE-4369-95A8-81F167CE3482@umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 89.225.96.13 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4859 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m.kornig@sondal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Selon Alex Martini : > I'm going to answer the rest of these together. Watch out, especially > as a beginner learning Lojban from English, that you don't use the > English vowel pronunciations. In English, what we write as one vowel > and call one vowel is very often multiple vowel sounds. > > (this table assumes you've got a fixed width font, like Courier set) > > English Lojban > long a {ei} > long e {i} > long o {ou} > long u {iu} > > Grab yourself a sucker (lolipop) -- or a straw or popsicle stick if > you'd prefer less sweet. Put it in your mouth, stand in front of a > mirror, and pronounce the English "long" vowels. You'll be able to > feel and see that your lips and toungue move while you say the vowel. > > (and another table...) > > English Lojban Movement > long a {ei} tongue moves forward > long e {i} tongue rises a little bit > long o {ou} lips go together > long u {iu} tongue drops; lips go together > > Now that you've got that figured out -- stop it!! (zo'o) In Lojban, > your tongue and lips stay STILL when you pronounce them. Try the same > thing again with the sucker and mirror now, and make sure they aren't > moving. There is a range of proper vowels, but they are all "pure" > vowels -- the kind where your mouth doesn't move when you say them. I agree, Alex. Since you bothered about explaining diphthongs in detail, this feature of the pronunciation of Lojban seems to be important to you. That was/is my point. Martin