From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 04 13:39:17 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvJKd-0004F1-MO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:39:16 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvJKa-0004A8-QX for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:39:15 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m16so1842652waf for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:39:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Md1DRcFWsCX9VvdNJuuL1BjF3skpMTVk/Phciuno83wG+zJ+N7paB4OSgVoOqz3P33w9XU4aIy4Bjt+npkhSbfq1hYdtv/OqAE/o0WJu/7RKhN9MX14V8zCGUY66JmMeLBHUzT/FXNa+I00v/OzNcprQoNTrApt3grGplBYzaW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AOmCKhv3fyMK1AI4QLqcaAyyK9hvPueIjkyCAPKmIsrHe/OErJN/vLiwRwpJierO4HQVK9TQ7R9xLSi63vNoGJy8gqBt87lkvvFL6GxiXAcsZuJjJmZUzAQJdxbsvQbUP8tIyVreOwyr18lkMhTViTC83sWuUOGcG2o3gUP/wrs= Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr5269376wae.1180989548561; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.110.8 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160706041339s4ff14c4bm25fa7e5396bef5f4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:39:08 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: fanva 2 In-Reply-To: <200706022139.34742.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7031_8556896.1180989548494" References: <2f91285f0706021536u380fc52eu611e6c6eaee1956@mail.gmail.com> <200706022139.34742.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 56c1c0c83690a7e2 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4872 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_7031_8556896.1180989548494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/2/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Saturday 02 June 2007 18:36, Vid Sintef wrote: > > la borat.sagdi,iev. me le kazak karnyfi'u co cfika fi'e la > > sacat.baron.koxen. no'u le brito jibxam > > Borat Sagdiyev is a fictional Kazakh journalist portrayed by British > > comedian Sacha Baron Cohen. > > > > * {kazak} is my invention (I couldn't find an official one). > > * {fi'e} is not meant to be a true translation of "portrayed by", but I > > think it's equally reasonable here. > > I would say {kazax}. You need either {me la kazax} ({le kazak} is > ungrammatical) or a fu'ivla such as {natmrkazaxa}. I'm no Kazakh speaker, but AFAICT, their language has no {x} and their autonym is closest to {kazak}. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_7031_8556896.1180989548494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/2/07, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Saturday 02 June 2007 18:36, Vid Sintef wrote:
> la borat.sagdi,iev. me le kazak karnyfi'u co cfika fi'e la
> sacat.baron.koxen. no'u le brito jibxam
> Borat Sagdiyev is a fictional Kazakh journalist portrayed by British
> comedian Sacha Baron Cohen.
>
> * {kazak} is my invention (I couldn't find an official one).
> * {fi'e} is not meant to be a true translation of "portrayed by", but I
> think it's equally reasonable here.

I would say {kazax}. You need either {me la kazax} ({le kazak} is
ungrammatical) or a fu'ivla such as {natmrkazaxa}.

I'm no Kazakh speaker, but AFAICT, their language has no {x} and their autonym is closest to {kazak}. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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