From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 05 09:00:43 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvbSW-0000Aa-Tg for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:00:39 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.251]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvbS8-00009e-57 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:00:31 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so451548ana for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:00:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D5eKw/IoCNkUd2Nrc3V3rUZcA8yNUmr3PC4Fzs6hnty5Xo0CbVVGhAk2Z7gIkBO0rL200Q9DbC9lJ/is57ohxFpIhQXspkNbRxMq7Z4ZTDawAy6Its8wVgoeWTiUXTba4fIOzRfE3UTze+dslK9hPml+FLg+cEsAe/lEzr6oS0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Sh2desrikda8lcOElhGcWnDf0M06P2+z2dmcaWXohPfxJptsjWjYpDZbu5Z9vsnFsfusEzUpnEKPkBTybWNvcP4qj3gED4fRDQUtdas9BVzr+gz8cWt1QZ6LVhZguF48v0y4R3cU6Vi9HMQAP6zPc+Y4bJNjYgV5IWuXiQiwWPg= Received: by 10.100.32.1 with SMTP id f1mr3375732anf.1181059205345; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.30.9 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0706050900j19d21465g869a7fe9f3c1890f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:00:05 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: {sei} In-Reply-To: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D7A@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14626_9028085.1181059205227" References: <2f91285f0706050540o659c363frbb7f4cdc8a251ce5@mail.gmail.com> <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D7A@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4888 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_14626_9028085.1181059205227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/5/07, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] wrote: > > When you say "li'u [is] missed" are you suggesting it's not there in > error? Remember that li'u is elidble. It's never necessary at the end of a > bridi. > I see. Thank you for that! "sei" takes out of the underlying bridi for the space of one single bridi > (which must not have any sumtis after the brivla). "cu'u la djan le zarci" > is not a bridi, not is "la djan le zarci". > (The Book seems to say that the inserted bridi can have sumtis after the brivla if they are glued with "be" and "bei". Hence the example 12.5: "la frank. prami sei gleki be fa la suzn. la djein.") So, mine would be parsed like "lu mi klama sei () cu'u la djan le zarci" without a proper brivla in "sei ..."? Therefore I need to stick to "cusku" as a brivla instead of the cmavo "cu'u"? --Vid ------=_Part_14626_9028085.1181059205227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 6/5/07, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com> wrote:

  When you say "li'u [is] missed" are you suggesting it's not there in error?  Remember that li'u is elidble.  It's never necessary at the end of a bridi. 

I see. Thank you for that!

"sei" takes out of the underlying bridi for the space of one single bridi (which must not have any sumtis after the brivla).  "cu'u la djan le zarci" is not a bridi, not is "la djan le zarci".


(The Book seems to say that the inserted bridi can have sumtis after the brivla if they are glued with "be" and "bei". Hence the example 12.5: "la frank. prami sei gleki be fa la suzn. la djein.")

So, mine would be parsed like "lu mi klama sei () cu'u la djan le zarci" without a proper brivla in "sei ..."? Therefore I need to stick to "cusku" as a brivla instead of the cmavo "cu'u"?


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