From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 05 09:35:24 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hvc0B-0000wE-ER for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:35:23 -0700 Received: from mclmx2.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.32] ident=[U2FsdGVkX199fI8IHfiXW4Eq9f/0/i9D08NcTyUGoZc=]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hvc07-0000w2-AV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:35:22 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx2.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-1880305 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:35:13 -0400 Received: from 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.18]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007060512351318979 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:35:13 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-ITS-EXBH01.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:35:13 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7A78F.74863ADA" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: {sei} Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D7D@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0706050900j19d21465g869a7fe9f3c1890f@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: {sei} Thread-Index: Aceniwyzh2PEqRNRTMigUA1I2TceZwAAwHwQ From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007 16:35:13.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DEE7550:01C7A78F] X-Spam-Score: 1.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 11 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 4889 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A78F.74863ADA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---- So, mine would be parsed like "lu mi klama sei () cu'u la djan le zarci" without a proper brivla in "sei ..."? Therefore I need to stick to "cusku" as a brivla instead of the cmavo "cu'u"?=20 ---- Yes, you have to stick with the cusku, if you are going to use sei. Modals (BAI class) like cu'u are akin to adverbs or prepositional phrases. They tell how (/when/where, etc.) something took place, not what it was that took place, which is the job of the brivla, which every bridi/sentence must have (although not all utternaces are bridi). cu'u would be used in something like "la vid banli cu'u la gejyspa" ("Vid is great, according to what Turnip spoke"), which is not the same thing as "lu a vid banli li'u se cusku la gejyspa" (" 'Vid is great', said Turnip"), although they are similar. One is a assertion of your greatness, qualified by the fact that I have spoken it, and the second is the assertion that I have actually spoken a certain string of words (that state you are great)).. =20 --gejyspa =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A78F.74863ADA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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So, mine would be parsed like "lu mi klama sei () cu'u la djan le zarci" without a proper brivla in "sei ..."? Therefore I = need to stick to "cusku" as a brivla instead of the cmavo = "cu'u"?

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  Yes,  you have to = stick with the cusku, if you are going to use sei.  Modals (BAI class) like = cu'u are akin to adverbs or prepositional phrases.  They tell how = (/when/where, etc.) something took place, not what it was that took place, which is = the job of the brivla, which every bridi/sentence must have (although not all = utternaces are bridi). cu'u would be used in something like "la vid banli cu'u = la gejyspa" ("Vid is great, according to what Turnip spoke"), which is not = the same thing as "lu a vid banli li'u se cusku la gejyspa" = (" 'Vid is great', said Turnip"), although they are similar.  One is a assertion of your greatness, qualified by the fact that I have spoken = it, and the second is the assertion that I have actually spoken a certain string of  words (that state you are = great))..

 

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