From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 06 04:21:40 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hvta6-0000xD-DW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:21:39 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvtZp-0000wm-KW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:21:37 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so84084wxc for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:21:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=kRfiyXeFxhqMxzx+HRuj0Rqw9o8wpcGxqR+AFV6uGrd6loisCTlJ+KOvWR+KmMchQj2SF9ByMMwVbXWpBm+Tc5Csl55DVM5ArHMmXSh8gbHwlSK7Q5sPezkuYETMt8+UzjdPWE7US7GOTMZ++mny5ot58U8L0nnJcncpY6beLWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=iyDCdz4i7THtLjDFHBaQW/3vf10vt9ifwPY43NPR9Bq6w8Ob/cSDX5/xKvOdLp5c2yQwWZpEv08koNeluCmm8xKmSOfKHZvj7BRDClPApUoqzdQcrV/6ybmKz96MwXrLFaoj1Q2CYcMCI8pA2wyaZ1VgTeWeivARwdgyF+9ezfI= Received: by 10.70.129.4 with SMTP id b4mr744725wxd.1181128879434; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.30.9 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0706060421g36d3cab8g50e6cd1d60afcb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:21:19 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] {pi} & {ro} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20310_23042722.1181128879190" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4900 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_20310_23042722.1181128879190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Book chapter 18: 8.10) mi citka pino'o lei nanba I eat a-typical-amount-of the-mass-of bread. The translation seems to me not correct. Or am I again misreading some principle? "the-mass-of" sounds more like {ro}, as in: 8.8) mi citka piro lei nanba I eat the-whole-of the-mass-of bread and {pi} sounds more like "the-whole-of", as in, in addition to the above one: piso'a PA+PA almost the whole of What distinguishes {ro} and {pi}, according to the Book, is the difference between "elements of totality" and "part of a whole", respectively. mu'o mi'e vid ------=_Part_20310_23042722.1181128879190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Book chapter 18:

8.10)  mi citka pino'o lei nanba
I eat a-typical-amount-of the-mass-of bread.

The translation seems to me not correct. Or am I again misreading some principle?

"the-mass-of" sounds more like {ro}, as in:

8.8)  mi citka piro lei nanba
I eat the-whole-of the-mass-of bread

and {pi} sounds more like "the-whole-of", as in, in addition to the above one:

piso'a  PA+PA   almost the whole of

What distinguishes {ro} and {pi}, according to the Book, is the difference between "elements of totality" and "part of a whole", respectively.


mu'o mi'e vid
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