From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 06 07:43:57 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hvwjs-0001QG-RT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:43:57 -0700 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.204.235]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hvwjp-0001Q8-OZ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:43:56 -0700 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z1so195818qbc for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:43:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dkRDIrgQL8lLNTqsCNbd/zH6zNw4kqNw1qWCtM7ZaSm68B95vuX9mc7qZ+nY10324x8mOdNw82x/zNMUA1cQ56f3EaQPqW8s4K87xFzCv5HgHviqwq/ETXSigXOKdYNlu6iVPMwonFGENCKxREPETIpkcQUWVWAhw6820Zbjzss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=epYyaKi+vXNLziPrw29wyesBOC+OZnnrLuLBZg77L9hqLtoh95tqSlVtgBstSxD7UYoUilhgUXJwObyPN5DQqLQb3lFYR31QdAtSHIoBZ/RlRiEKgUrxKtrRA9QWE1G/8GDhEe6kzoC4EdSF8AGOR+qWRKKKOLZqqiwGOBPTdcA= Received: by 10.100.94.3 with SMTP id r3mr310784anb.1181141031376; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.12 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706060743v3d7c8ba1x13955d71cf371dee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:43:51 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Not a Box (a lesson in lojban negation) In-Reply-To: <466A0DCE@webmail.bcpl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <466A0DCE@webmail.bcpl.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4903 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 6/5/07, turnip wrote: > > mu'i ma do ne'i zutse lo tanxe (bunny sitting in box) > xu do ca'o ne'i sanli leva tanxe (bunny stading in box) I think you want {zutse ne'i lo tanxe}/{sanli ne'i le va tanxe} for those. {ne'i zutse/sanli lo tanxe} says that the bunny is sitting/standing on the box, and that this happens inside of something unspecified (a room?). {zutse/sanli ne'i lo tanxe} says that the bunny is sitting/standing on something unspecified (the floor of the box?), and that this happens inside the box. mu'o mi'e xorxes