From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 06 09:16:14 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvyBA-0003CR-9q for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:16:14 -0700 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HvyB3-0003C7-H8 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:16:10 -0700 Received: from 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.21] [149.8.64.21]) by mclmx.mail.saic.com id BT-MMP-1939586 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:15:47 -0400 Received: from 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com ([10.43.229.22]) by 0015-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.5.66) with SMTP id M2007060612154731320 for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:15:47 -0400 Received: from 0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com ([10.75.0.188]) by 0015-its-exbh02.us.saic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:15:47 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Not a Box (a lesson in lojban negation) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:15:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1189A858F8918F43BE3F9C7603C73FB4031E7D89@0456-its-exmp01.us.saic.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560706060743v3d7c8ba1x13955d71cf371dee@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: Not a Box (a lesson in lojban negation) Thread-Index: AceoVUWWMn6l+C1pQyKATGfdosLgAwAAEb+g From: "Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2007 16:15:47.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0EC6820:01C7A855] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4904 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Quite right, Jorge. Thank you. I keep forgetting that tenses can act as modals. While we're on the subject, is there a tense for "on/upon/on top of"? I would assume ga'ure'o works, but I'm not sure if there is anything shorter.... --gy -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Llambías Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:44 AM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Not a Box (a lesson in lojban negation) On 6/5/07, turnip wrote: > > mu'i ma do ne'i zutse lo tanxe (bunny sitting in box) > xu do ca'o ne'i sanli leva tanxe (bunny stading in box) I think you want {zutse ne'i lo tanxe}/{sanli ne'i le va tanxe} for those. {ne'i zutse/sanli lo tanxe} says that the bunny is sitting/standing on the box, and that this happens inside of something unspecified (a room?). {zutse/sanli ne'i lo tanxe} says that the bunny is sitting/standing on something unspecified (the floor of the box?), and that this happens inside the box. mu'o mi'e xorxes