From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 17 00:10:14 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hzotp-0004Vk-TL for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:10:14 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hzotm-0004Vb-I6 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:10:13 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 78so382813ugn for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=FgCuHFaY2WgnnpfPEjJyrLAudULOPqn1cYkRVcWtQzRDSMdMzA6qyt/Mt+XIg7zDzmlU/oiaTsf/GPAgluVPi/i65zs71kxuwh0HOC4PkiXTmREDPA4MUXbbwQonbmAra6RUjyLX72TlREbfbNc4tDY1ba4+61Q3NnW4ktRGWmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=TRohmT/V6VyQdLt8fT93OX9fRNE37NOVCCWd4eXXoVUbThcaoAYKXlW8Ix+HnHbKOsoyJ++j0Ym6fEL+Y21+2nuVYv4Lqt2TOteetgIQdmUhO55+dd5InxTkEQRWilDVYfBwe4kD5fnAhXNNPQkzssq/DviFEgIDQzPSAO69fio= Received: by 10.66.240.12 with SMTP id n12mr4065412ugh.1182064208685; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayuwiqa ( [217.247.233.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id b36sm11679313ika.2007.06.17.00.10.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004101c7b0ae$8b630930$47e9f7d9@ayuwiqa> From: "Daniel Goetzmann" To: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Logical connectives Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:10:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4985 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cestricu@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo I'm wondering about the meaning of bridi that have eks in more than one place. Consider the following bridi: (1) la alis e la djan pinxe loi tcati a loi ckafi Section 14.6 of the refgram tells me that they can be "transformed into a logical connection between sentences that expresses the same truth function". The question is, which of the eks has to be transformed into an ijek first? So far, there seem to be two possible transformations that express different truth functions: (2) la alis pinxe loi tcati a loi ckafi .ije la djan pinxe loi tcati a loi ckafi (3) la alis e la djan pinxe loi tcati .ija la alis e la djan pinxe loi ckafi Assume that Alice drinks tea and John drinks coffee. Then (2) is true but (3) is false. So at most one of the transformations can be valid. Which one is it? mu'o mi'e daniel