From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 17 03:50:12 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HzsKT-0000nS-BE for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:50:04 -0700 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.232]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HzsJy-0000mo-5x for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:49:36 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1509752wxc for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:49:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LWB5qPWhvtSZpvxCYoH/VXgXQbhHAWQGF+Vf6g45xhY3BfqJqAyD8gxaO2XL+NLklZfMKUtDe8FVieEdiJDY+gqmnRAFbG9ZeYjFY86CrUF1jJ0o/cENLH0pCaKHVuyJNToPmK76nBUn3f1XyLzM6W5qLpAIKVl09qCgb7JImyQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RNAGCMpFr8cx9IadW3pjPkVG6dJLbz1/LHrS/s6R6OJ63IqK3qdydvC86OAzAQHcRCqDTcyUsaqceaMOYiifrdVIgH6EEXrdxSpzBdroJYsRIszo89uNV6mTEXkimL3JnPZnJxykVk+VujLCsRR7U/Wc+gBBF2IG2Ijmqy1Ovd8= Received: by 10.70.123.14 with SMTP id v14mr7741474wxc.1182077363524; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.9.14 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0706170349x36ebd434vc1013ce044b2319a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:49:23 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: music genres In-Reply-To: <200706162152.01355.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10605_6516387.1182077363493" References: <2f91285f0706161328v15faca72if247ef09ac1be3d4@mail.gmail.com> <200706162152.01355.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 4990 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_10605_6516387.1182077363493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When listing such genres on e.g. uikipedias within the category {zgike}, do we still have to use the rafsi of {zgike} at the beginning of every term (fu'ivla), which might look verbose? What about "drum&bass" or "house" or "synth pop" or "country" or "ballad", which seem translatable into Lojban without necessarily having recourse to fu'ivla? Personally I don't fancy a list consisting of both words which begin with {zgik-} and those which do not while both of them essentially belong to the same category {zgike}; it'd look as though some terms are more "music-related" than others within that category. Vid On 6/17/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Saturday 16 June 2007 16:28, Vid Sintef wrote: > > I'm thinking about the terms for the music genres. How would you express > > "rock", for example, without lapsing into malglico? > > {zgiknroke} or {zgiknroko} (there has been a dispute over which form is > better; they're both good to me). Even in English we can't talk about > foreign > music genres without using fu'ivla. > > I did, though, invent a lujvo for "banjo" at jbonunsla: {damryjgita}. > > Pierre > > > > ------=_Part_10605_6516387.1182077363493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When listing such genres on e.g. uikipedias within the category {zgike}, do we still have to use the rafsi of {zgike} at the beginning of every term (fu'ivla), which might look verbose?

What about "drum&bass" or "house" or "synth pop" or "country" or "ballad", which seem translatable into Lojban without necessarily having recourse to fu'ivla? Personally I don't fancy a list consisting of both words which begin with {zgik-} and those which do not while both of them essentially belong to the same category {zgike}; it'd look as though some terms are more "music-related" than others within that category.

Vid


On 6/17/07, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu > wrote:
On Saturday 16 June 2007 16:28, Vid Sintef wrote:
> I'm thinking about the terms for the music genres. How would you express
> "rock", for example, without lapsing into malglico?

{zgiknroke} or {zgiknroko} (there has been a dispute over which form is
better; they're both good to me). Even in English we can't talk about foreign
music genres without using fu'ivla.

I did, though, invent a lujvo for "banjo" at jbonunsla: {damryjgita}.

Pierre




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